Sorry WoW

[SDM]

I know that everyone here has been programmed to hate EQ2.

Before you blow a bunch of money on WoW, Please look into EQ2. Read and shit. I know you can.

Here's a gameplay movie: http://www.onlinewelten.com/include.php?path=content/download.php&contentid=1358

and another: http://www.onlinewelten.com/include.php?path=content/download.php&contentid=1357&PHPKITSID=dc6ae2b42ebea7bc18a92b53ffac943f

There's a ton more. Read into it, and stop being a fanboi.


I'm sick of people acting like I shat on them for mentioning EQ. WoW is a wannabe.

[Setari]

im totally neutral being as i never played EQ. so ill have to wait and see. im sure EQ2 will have some sort of trial. i played the WoW stress test and got bored after level 10. so i dunno, i guess ill wait and see.

[OfaLoaf]

Those two links appear to be in German.



How many guns and explosives are in EQ2? This is vitally important.

[SDM]

Those two links appear to be in German.



How many guns and explosives are in EQ2? This is vitally important.


You can kill yourself doing tradeskills.

[OfaLoaf]

You can kill yourself doing tradeskills.
Meaning yes, I assume.

[MrVicchio]

I won't touch WoW, sorry it just looks weak.

EQII baby.

[Lonehunter]

Before you blow a bunch of money on WoW, Please look into EQ2. Read and shit. I know you can.
Have you gathered any info on Wolrd of Warcraft? Played any of the past games? If you have it's hard to believe you can agree with what you said here...

WoW is a wannabe.
A wannabe of EverQuest? So the whole idea of the magical realms and such is a wannabe of EQ?

[SDM]

If you thought WoW was the shit, then look. http://everquest2.station.sony.com/#home

Read the forums, d/l the movies. Read like you don't have downs. You know you can.
Quit being an idiot, and read the shit, and form your own opinion.

[OfaLoaf]

Most Fantasy RPGs are similar. For example, some people think WoW is a rip off of FFXI.

[SDM]

Have you gathered any info on Wolrd of Warcraft? Played any of the past games? If you have it's hard to believe you can agree with what you said here...


A wannabe of EverQuest? So the whole idea of the magical realms and such is a wannabe of EQ?


I've played the stress test for WoW, and EQ beta. WoW stress test rocked. Eq2 is better. Eq2 is way better, actually.

You have a problem with people trying EQ2 before buying WoW?

[Lonehunter]

You've reached a low SDM, you automaticly assume everyone is inferior to you. YES I've read up on EQII, YES I've seen all the movies, YES I have been a fucking EverQuest fan for FIVE years, I know what I'm talking about. So when I'm talking about EverQuest, I'm pretty sure I have a valid opinion.

The only thing that agitated me was this

WoW is a wannabe.
A wannabe of what exactly? All I'm looking for is an answer, and I am pretty sure you are intelligent enough to answer that.

You have a problem with people trying EQ2 before buying WoW?
Not at all, just try'in to make sure everyone has their facts strait.

[SDM]

You've reached a low SDM

unpossible

[MrVicchio]

WoW to me is MMO-Lite from all I have seen, read and learned about the game.

Thanks but no thanks, it just lacks appeal to me. I loved EQI WAYYYY back in the day, and everything I have read on EQII the fixed all the issues that drove me away.

[Lonehunter]

unpossible
I give up, you're right.



Edit: i'm not trying to say WoW is going to be better then EQII, they aren't out yet and I ahven't played teh final version of either so I can't judge, like I said I been playin EQ for a while, but so many problems with it drove me away a few months ago, like Vicchio said, the issues in EQ that are gone in EQII make me have the craving again. I'll prolly end up playing both for a while.

[OfaLoaf]

I just want lots of crude guns and explosives. From the quick Google search I did ("Everquest" "Gun"), there's seems to not as many as in WoW. Machinery is fun.

[Dharkbayne]

unpossible


NONPOSSABLE!

[SDM]

Anyone who doesn't give EQ2 a fair shot because it has EQ in the name is missing out. It's about twice the game WoW is, I just hope your PC can run it.

[MrVicchio]

WoW to me is MMO-Lite from all I have seen, read and learned about the game.

Thanks but no thanks, it just lacks appeal to me. I loved EQI WAYYYY back in the day, and everything I have read on EQII the fixed all the issues that drove me away.

[Lonehunter]

I just hope your PC can run it.
Lol, last year in Computer Tech class everybody was talkin about EQII, some moron said his cousin is great at getting "hacked" versions of games before they come out. Like I said, a moron he thought his cousin could get EQII early. Friend of mine said that if he tried to run it on any computer today the only thing that would come up is a skull & crossbones and the text "You're fucking crazy"

[SDM]

Lol, last year in Computer Tech class everybody was talkin about EQII, some moron said his cousin is great at getting "hacked" versions of games before they come out. Like I said, a moron he thought his cousin could get EQII early. Friend of mine said that if he tried to run it on any computer today the only thing that would come up is a skull & crossbones and the text "You're fucking crazy"


I have no clue wtf you just said. Corrosion is your cousin?

I'll light this up for the dumb people:

EQ2 DOES NOT EQUAL EQ1. TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAME.

[Lonehunter]

I have no clue wtf you just said.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Corrosion is your cousin?
I don't think so, I'm half Lithuanian not Russian

[Corrosion]

I control his cousin.


Fuck WoW for now, Fuck EQ2.

Half Life 2 BABY!

[EineBeBoP]

Fuck WoW for now...

Half Life 2 BABY!


:lol: I feel the complete oposite.

WoW > Hl2 for at least 2 months.
hl2 has the replayability tho (mods, not the SP)

[Corrosion]

:lol: I feel the complete oposite.

WoW > Hl2 for at least 2 months.
hl2 has the replayability tho (mods, not the SP)
The mods will come out within a day, the SDK was released a while ago.

[Indecisive]

Well, if sony hooks me up with a beta, then fine, ill play it, try it, but WoW is just too fucking fun. Im adicted to the bastard and ive only played a week.

Get off the ripped off who shit, everyone ripped off everyone else at sometime or another.

[EineBeBoP]

If Wow and Hl2 came out on the same day, you'd be hard pressed to get me to leave WoW and play Hl2.

Mods will keep me playing Hl2 for years afterward im sure.

SDK?


Well, if sony hooks me up with a beta, then fine, ill play it, try it, but WoW is just too fucking fun. Im adicted to the bastard and ive only played a week.

Get off the ripped off who shit, everyone ripped off everyone else at sometime or another.


Seriously. whens the last time you saw an original game?

(GTA 3? )

[Corrosion]

System Development Kit

EIne, get your ass on AIM.

[TheN00b]

Hey guys, I know WoW isn't out yet: Is there any way to get into any sort of Beta or somesuch? I've been hearing such great things about it...

[Corrosion]

www.ebay.com

lay down 300+

[JetRaiden]

:lol: I only sold my WoW beta for $150 dude

[Corrosion]

Ya, but that's why my mind tricks work so wonderfully.

[Baneblade]

WoW is yet another example of what is wrong with the mmo industry.

The minute they decided against open PvP, and added levels, it was doomed.

[Spee]

D&d > All

/dm

[Baneblade]

Let's hope so, but I have a feeling it will just be more of the same.

[Everay]

raiden...are you joking? because i hope you are, thats just sad man, some people :no:

as for EQ and WoW, ive looked into them both, i was playing EQ for a while, i quit before most people, but ive done raids and all that fun shit, it was a okay game.

[Indecisive]

Oh, he did, and its not like he needed the money.

[Wraithlord]

what does "download starten" mean in english?? I'm confused!!11

[TheN00b]

what does "download starten" mean in english?? I'm confused!!11

cog·nate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kgnt)
adj.
Related by blood; having a common ancestor.
Related in origin, as certain words in genetically related languages descended from the same ancestral root; for example, English name and Latin nmen from Indo-European *n-men-.
Related or analogous in nature, character, or function.

Armed with this definition, our bold hero bravely endeavors to unravel this mystery.

[Wraithlord]

IM TRYING TO FIND A NEW SEASONING FOR MY DRIED FISH.

oh really?

[TheN00b]

IM TRYING TO FIND A NEW SEASONING FOR MY DRIED FISH.

oh really?

That's... Dirty when you think about it long enough...

[JetRaiden]

raiden...are you joking? because i hope you are, thats just sad man, some people :no:


nope. :cool:

[Wraithlord]

so I've watched gameplay videos from both, and so far, WoW has looked alot more exciting. However, I dislike warcraft 3's graphics, and WoW looks just like it, except zoomed in...so we'll see

[SDM]

http://files.filefront.com/3636243;/pub2/EverQuest%202/Media/Videos%20and%20Trailers/

http://files.filefront.com/3640285;/pub2/EverQuest%202/Media/Videos%20and%20Trailers/

[Dharkbayne]

I'll only get EQ2 if I can /marry SDM's character.

[SDM]

I'm still petitioning for the /fuck emote.

[StrangeFellow]

D&d > All

/dm
:nod:

[EineBeBoP]

just sent

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/
World of warcraft open beta coming soon. make sure you sign up! (even if you have no interest!)


to my entire buddy list.

they have been warned.

[SDM]

You need one of these to play EQ2. It's in the agreement.
http://dragon.warp1.net/eqboard.jpg

[_-Gunslinger-_]

After watching the movie it made me ask some questions.

Like does each NPC have thier own original diolog content?
Are there any movies about combat and spells?


I would also like to point out taht the reason I dont want to play EQII is not "EQ" but the designer "SOE" These guys couldnt take care of a customer base if thier profits depended on it. Good thing for them they dont. People see the pretty grafics and the cool audio diologs and think "Th1s g4m3 r0x!" But SOE has a nasty little habbit of making thier games grind dependant. Seeing as I go to college full time, and work 38-48 hours a week I dont have much time for games. So grind = no play for me.

Also the fact that SOE has burned me TWICE befor with empty ass promises and a suprising knack to listen the the whordes of people complaining, I dont think Ill ever give them any of my money again. If they offered a trial though... that I would take.

[Dharkbayne]

You need one of these to play EQ2. It's in the agreement.
http://dragon.warp1.net/eqboard.jpg



:rofl:


I miss EQ now. But I can't go back, I gave away all my shit to some low level enc. :(


After I got Clarity, I just... stopped trying, and I quit.

[Warborn]

WoW is yet another example of what is wrong with the mmo industry.

The minute they decided against open PvP, and added levels, it was doomed.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Open PvP is a stupid fucking idea for a mainstream MMO, as vastly more people prefer PvE than PvP, and levels can be easily drained of their negative impact upon PvP (as WoW has done a fairly decent job of).

[Baneblade]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Open PvP is a stupid fucking idea for a mainstream MMO, as vastly more people prefer PvE than PvP, and levels can be easily drained of their negative impact upon PvP (as WoW has done a fairly decent job of).
Open PvP is the only way to do it right. And I do have an idea what I'm talking about. I pay to play against other people, not some NPC powered by Intel.

[Indecisive]

Open pvp is retarded. Realm based pvp however, owns, as demonstrated by the WoW stress test beta servers.

[Lonehunter]

I pay to play against other people, not some NPC powered by Intel.
:lol: sometimes that NPC pwered by intel is more challenging then a player.

[Salazar]

http://www.die-guild.org/

Huge raid report, biggest so far in Closed Beta.

[TheN00b]

Damn, Salazar, that looks amazing. To those of you in Beta: What would you guys advise as the best way to develop a character: i.e.; class, skills, etc.

[Salazar]

I played in the stress test. I have no clue on what class you should play, I think you should play each during open beta (I came into the ST wanting to play a priest/caster class, came out having more fun playing a melee class).

For skills, depends: Do you want to make alot of money? do a fun tradeskill? make stuff that your class can use or wear?

For money:
Try the gathering skills; mining, herbalism, or skinning.

A fun tradeskill:
Engineering, sadly it does'nt make much money due to most of the items requireing an engineering level to use. You can make stuff like bombs, mechanical chickens; and at higher levels a rocket helmet, or a mechanical dragonling.

A tradeskill that your class can use or wear:
I suggest reading up on the classes here http://worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/ at the bottom they suggest tradeskills (i.e. Mages can go tailoring and make their own equipment, or go herbalism/alchemy and make mana potions)

I want to make money so I will be going mining and skinning.

Also read up on the professions page here http://worldofwarcraft.com/info/professions/

This site is down ATM http://www.thottbot.com but when it comes back up, it lists everything you can make with the tradeskill professions, and what spells you get at what level with a class.

[EineBeBoP]

Yep. when i played dwarf paladin, I went mining / blacksmith.
Now that im playing Dwarf hunter, i cant use any of the armor BS makes, so i switched to engineering.

Make a good ammount of cash, and its fun.

[Baneblade]

Open pvp is retarded. Realm based pvp however, owns, as demonstrated by the WoW stress test beta servers.
Can you kill some annoying jackass on your own side?

[Indecisive]

No, which is the point, you cant be killed by annoying jackasses.

/edit/ only way to kill your own team is by dueling, which must be accepted.

[Strygun]

I am in WoW beta as well as EQ2 Beta. Trust me, judging by the current states of each beta, WoW will kill EQ2. EQ2 is being rushed *so* much right now that I'll be surprised if ANYTHING works at retail. SoE is just pushing hard for fast money for a game that will be broken upon release.

Blizzard, on the other hand, will NOT release WoW until it is done, period. They have never rushed a game.

Now, that's not to say that's what I'm basing my judgement on. After playing both games (both WoW and EQ2) I can tell you that WoW is better than EQ2. EQ2 is just not good. They've dropped the ball, but are going to release it anyway because they know they can get enough revenue off of the "Everquest" name.

[Navaron]

SoE or Blizzard.

Hmmm.

Yeah, it's that easy. I hope there aren't doors in EQ.

[FearTheAtlas]

SoE or Blizzard.

Hmmm.

Yeah, it's that easy. I hope there aren't doors in EQ.

That pretty much sealed the deal for me. Besides PS, every other game managed by SOE has been absolutley terrible in game experience, and in customer service. Blizzard's got a solid trackrecord, so I think they deserve my money.

[Indecisive]

Accually VU is forcing blizz to pick up the pace a fair bit.

[WritheNC]

I believe it. VU are a bunch of jerks. They're French too, if that means anything else.

Anyway, being a European company, they have a strong aversion to the depiction of the killing of children, which is against the law in a few countries in europe. In Warcraft 3, you can slaughter human children during a couple of undead missions. Because of this VU has a little beef with Blizzard, despite being their publisher.

As far as I'm concerned, Blizzard should just tell VU to screw themselves and find another publisher. If that happened, any publisher that doesn't pick them up obviously doesn't want to make billions of dollars and might as well shoot themselves now.

(Due to contractual rights, I know this won't happen, but it would be hilarious).

[_-Gunslinger-_]

In response to blizzard not rushing anything, its already been stated, but Vinvedi is pushing for a release by Thanksgiving, or chirstmas. As VU has made a statement but blizzard neither confirms or denies it everyone thinks that a Code freez will happen in 1-2 months and it will ship around cristmas. Also, keep in mind I am an avid blizzard fan but not to a blinding point, blizzard has never done an MMO befor. While this probably wont effect the gameplay much, it could have an impact on other things. Im currious how they will handle balancing issues. Older RPGS were GROSSLY unbalanced. I almost shudder to think of Diablo2.

However all of thier RTS's have been rather balanced IMO. So we shall see.

[EineBeBoP]

SoE or Blizzard.

Hmmm.

Yeah, it's that easy. I hope there aren't doors in EQ.

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[SDM]

Fuck'em both, I'm playing Diablo. Check out my phat lewtz.

http://img85.exs.cx/img85/9986/d201.jpg

http://img85.exs.cx/img85/6927/d202.jpg

http://img85.exs.cx/img85/993/d203.jpg

[Derfud]

Soj!?

[SDM]

Whats a Soj?

[Slobax1080]

eq2 = no PvP

bottom line. WoW it is.

not to mention eq2's glossy doll characters. and the art style is just not my style.

[_-Gunslinger-_]

Your kidding right. It USED to be the currency of b.net. I quit b.net a long time ago, cuz the game got REALLY boring and I got tired of sorces telling me I was using a speed hack with my necro. Tahts some nice armor SDM but the claws are only "meh" what about bul kathos? Or whatever those uber eliete rare claws are. I still know how to dupe in that game. Blizzard still did a good security job on a game that wasnt an MMO.

[SDM]

OK, fanboys win. Lock it.

[SDM]

Your kidding right. It USED to be the currency of b.net. I quit b.net a long time ago, cuz the game got REALLY boring and I got tired of sorces telling me I was using a speed hack with my necro. Tahts some nice armor SDM but the claws are only "meh" what about bul kathos? Or whatever those uber eliete rare claws are. I still know how to dupe in that game. Blizzard still did a good security job on a game that wasnt an MMO.
I wouldn't go on b-net if you paid me. I found/made all that shit in single player.

[Slobax1080]

omg your avatar SDM :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[_-Gunslinger-_]

I wouldn't go on b-net if you paid me. I found/made all that shit in single player.


That would answer alot of questions. However HOW the HELL did you get 8k lightning sentries. Do synergies allow that now? Or am I just being retarded about the damages?

[Derfud]

Diablo 2 is retarded, lets stop talking about it.

To change the subject, D&D online will pwntxt both EQ2 and wow.

Just look:

http://www.gamebanshee.com/screenshots/dndonline/screenshot26.jpg

It's real time combat, no point and click stuff, no queuing up attacks, it works the way UO:X was supposed to before it got canned. All in the newly designed eberron campaign setting, with a D&D flavour. Say goodbye to weakass healer characters.

[TheN00b]

Diablo 2 is retarded, lets stop talking about it.

To change the subject, D&D online will pwntxt both EQ2 and wow.

Just look:

http://www.gamebanshee.com/screenshots/dndonline/screenshot26.jpg

It's real time combat, no point and click stuff, no queuing up attacks, it works the way UO:X was supposed to before it got canned. All in the newly designed eberron campaign setting, with a D&D flavour. Say goodbye to weakass healer characters.

Oi, yes. I've been reading the magazine previews, and it looks amazing.

[Slobax1080]

but is it hardcore D&D style? :/ Like the whole roll dice shit? Otherwise, looks amazing :eek:

I've just never been a real fan of D&D based games

[TheN00b]

but is it hardcore D&D style? :/ Like the whole roll dice shit? Otherwise, looks amazing :eek:

I've just never been a real fan of D&D based games

Except for the combat system, which is a hybrid of FPS and D&D, it is pure D&D. Gorgeous, fulfilling, MMO-style D&D.

[Derfud]

Yeah, except you dont see dice rolls, you dont have to "roll dice" either. From what I read, you click your mouse, you swing your axe.

[TheN00b]

Yeah, except you dont see dice rolls, you dont have to "roll dice" either. From what I read, you click your mouse, you swing your axe.

Yep, it's a hybrid.

[JetRaiden]

god dammit...I dont like D&D at all, but those graphics are sooooo good..... :(

[TheN00b]

god dammit...I dont like D&D at all, but those graphics are sooooo good..... :(

Aren't they? I was bloody amazed that those weren't renders.

[TheN00b]

http://www.ddo.com/

Please, look at the gallery. It blew my fucking mind.

[Zodiac]

I hope there aren't doors in EQ. :rofl: :rofl:

[Slobax1080]

i'll still pick WoW out of all those

EQ2 - Glossy doll character graphics...it's trying to look real, but looks insanely fake and bland....not to mention NO PvP...might as well play Morrowind

D&D - i've never been a fan of Wizards.of.the.coast and D&D games such as baldurs gate and NWN...so i doubt i'll like the flow of things in D&D....not to mention it's shady developers

[Baneblade]

No, which is the point, you cant be killed by annoying jackasses.
Any game that limits a player and creates an environment for griefers isn't worth my time, defending it is pointless.

/edit/ only way to kill your own team is by dueling, which must be accepted.
The entire concept of such a system is the single worst gameplay system ever executed in an online game. Keep that shit in Pokemon.

[Lonehunter]

EQ2 - Glossy doll character graphics...it's trying to look real, but looks insanely fake and bland....not to mention NO PvP...might as well play Morrowind

EQ with no PvP, man where have you been?

[Indecisive]

Any game that limits a player and creates an environment for griefers isn't worth my time, defending it is pointless.


The entire concept of such a system is the single worst gameplay system ever executed in an online game. Keep that shit in Pokemon.



I think you contridicted yourself.


You want a game to not limit you so that you can run around ganking newbies on your OWN TEAM yet you say any game that creates an environment for griefers sucks.


Here, watch this video before you rip on shit:

http://www.rpgfilms.net/nuke/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=70

[Baneblade]

Killing people is not griefing. In PS you can still kill the annoying bastards on your team, but you get penalized. Not having the option at all is not goin to fly with me.

[Indecisive]

Its called /ignore and /petition.

And working out your fucking differences by something other then "pwning" someone in a virtual world.

[Dharkbayne]

Make a full PVP server, team PVP server, and no PVP server.

PROBLEM. FUCKING. SOLVED.

[Indecisive]

I would be scared for my fucking life playing on a full pvp server with bnet people

[Salazar]

I think you contridicted yourself.


You want a game to not limit you so that you can run around ganking newbies on your OWN TEAM yet you say any game that creates an environment for griefers sucks.


Here, watch this video before you rip on shit:

http://www.rpgfilms.net/nuke/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=70

I love the Setz and Plexx movies, heres the first one:

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=42

Also, if you guys want to see more PvP videos, or just WoW videos; let me know.

[Derfud]

I watched the 2 EQ 2 movies originally posted by SDM. The graphics look nice, but everything else looks bland and unoriginal. I'd also probably get very annoyed by having to listen to "Hey there! I have the finest goods to offer this side of Norrath!".

[Slobax1080]

EQ with no PvP, man where have you been?
exactly my point.






wonder why i never layed my hands on EQ1 ;)


EDIT: and Sal. i would love to see more WoW pvp and gameplay movies...if you can post some links

[Salazar]

Sure:

http://ftp.estpak.ee/pub/cool.hot.ee/videos/WoW/?M=D
www.warcraftmovies.com

PvP:
http://ftp.estpak.ee/pub/cool.hot.ee/videos/WoW/NewbHunter1.avi
http://ftp.estpak.ee/pub/cool.hot.ee/videos/WoW/NewbHunter2.avi
http://ftp.estpak.ee/pub/cool.hot.ee/videos/WoW/bucho_4tehwin.avi
http://ftp.estpak.ee/pub/cool.hot.ee/videos/WoW/nurfedview.avi
http://ftp.estpak.ee/pub/cool.hot.ee/videos/WoW/raidtoxroad.avi
http://www.warcraftmovies.com/viewcategory.php?id=1
www.die-guild.org (needs registration, they used to have about 35 movies, but for some reason they took em all down, don't bother with diepvp1 and 2, but 3 and the rest are good)
http://nurfed.com/videos.php?category=wow (one of the best PvP guilds, "Indal's warrior Pwnage" is a PvE movie of a pre-nurfed warrior fighting lv 56-57 mobs)

Edit: "The big one" on www.die-guild.org is the movie of the raid I linked on the previous page, its about 280 mb and 36 min long :D

[Indecisive]

Thank you good sir, now I have something to do after school today :)

[Slobax1080]

Thank you good sir, now I have something to do after school today :).

[Strygun]

This thread was derailed and then re-railed. I'm surprised it's still talking about EQ2.

Anyway, what people have said have been valid points; however, they are not valid enough to make someone want to play EQ2 over WoW.

First off: The company. Blizzard (so far, knock on wood) has never fumbled a game. Every game they have ever released has been rock solid and a huge seller.

Secondly: WoW won't be full of 'bnet kiddies.' It's pay to play on a monthly fee; most kiddies can't get their mommies to pay that. Trust me. EQ2, however, will be full of the EQ addicts (which include the kids who have stolen their parents money just to play). The game will be fun for maybe 2 months, and then it will die because of all the EQ addicts who powerlevel the game just to be first to the level cap.

Thirdly: This relates to point number one. Even if Vivendi told Blizzard to rush WoW, they won't. Blizzard is smart enough to know not to rush a game. They just won't do it. If it releases in November or December, it'll be because the game is finished by Blizzard's standards. (Hint hint: WoW open beta is soon, meaning Blizzard is nearing the final stages.)

If I think of more points, I'll be sure to chime in.

[Slobax1080]

^^good points

and i can't wait for Open beta...should be in about 2 weeks hopefully....with sign ups this week sometime

in other news, i'm going to try Matrix Online beta soon.....i'm not expecting much. I think it looks lame as lame can get.

[_-Gunslinger-_]

This thread was derailed and then re-railed. I'm surprised it's still talking about EQ2.

Anyway, what people have said have been valid points; however, they are not valid enough to make someone want to play EQ2 over WoW.

First off: The company. Blizzard (so far, knock on wood) has never fumbled a game. Every game they have ever released has been rock solid and a huge seller.

Agreed, they have done well, save tha balnce issues with thier RPG games. That has me SLIGHTLY worried.

Secondly: WoW won't be full of 'bnet kiddies.' It's pay to play on a monthly fee; most kiddies can't get their mommies to pay that. Trust me. EQ2, however, will be full of the EQ addicts (which include the kids who have stolen their parents money just to play). The game will be fun for maybe 2 months, and then it will die because of all the EQ addicts who powerlevel the game just to be first to the level cap.

Save the first part of the EQ prediction, I think is assanine to say that EQ will have more Power-playing level whores than WoW. It should be roughly equal. The good news is that it only takes around 3-4 weeks to get to 50 and then quite a bit longer to get to 60. So its faster than EQ. I dont think that lvl 60's will kill the game.

Thirdly: This relates to point number one. Even if Vivendi told Blizzard to rush WoW, they won't. Blizzard is smart enough to know not to rush a game. They just won't do it. If it releases in November or December, it'll be because the game is finished by Blizzard's standards. (Hint hint: WoW open beta is soon, meaning Blizzard is nearing the final stages.)

If I think of more points, I'll be sure to chime in.

They are rushing the game. Thier time tables have been accelerated dramatically, look at the patch history, we were getting one every ~6 weeks, and now we have gotten 2 in the last 3 weeks. You could attribute this to the fact that the game is "near" release, however the push happened about the same time VU announced that WoW would release mid Q4 this year. They are being rushed and it wont be polished. Now for some proof.


Clicky (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=391022)

Ill pick just ONE of them:
11) Does Blizzard realize that the Horde is still lacking in the fun & fluff department (like the Alliance's vendors that sell holdable flowers, or their master chef vendor that sells many recipes, etc.)?
We do realize that such features are few and far between for the Horde at the moment. While we probably will not get such items in by release, the Horde should receive more attention on this front when we add such things in post-launch.

However, in addition to high level content and raids, we are focusing on Horde content in Kalimdor.

Horde not getting full attention till AFTER release. And they plan to add things in post launch. Hmmm doesnt sound like thier normal polishing.

While this post comes off as really negative, I have full faith in blizzard's ability to put out and maintain a quality game. But they ARE being rushed, witch is :doh:

[Slobax1080]

^about the last concern with patching after release...

Patching and finishing things up after release is NORMAL for MMO games. Maybe it shouldn't be, but name a game that had EVERYTHING, you wanted at release. It's impossible, b/c MMO games are an unfolding story and patches are a monthly thing with new releases and chapters. I don't look at this as a negative thing for blizzard.

I have full faith in blizzard's leap into the MMO world.

[Baneblade]

Its called /ignore and /petition.

And working out your fucking differences by something other then "pwning" someone in a virtual world.
Has nothing to do with pwning, I just prefer to solve my own problems rather than run to some guy paid to listen to people whine all day to solve it for me.

[Derfud]

Sobekus, if you want full PVP, you will get griefers, there is no way to stop it.

[Warborn]

Open PvP is the only way to do it right. And I do have an idea what I'm talking about. I pay to play against other people, not some NPC powered by Intel.

So do I. PvP is the only reason I bother with MMORPGs. But I know that I am in the distant minority, and that open PvP is just foolish elitism which is bad for business. If you still insist otherwise, then clearly you aren't very familiar with the history of these games and the consequences open PvP had in the past. UO had open PvP, and then EQ came out and stole huge swathes of its customers, becoming the most popular MMORPG in no time. Why is it that, when given the choice between a carebear phat lewt focused game, and one with open PvP, people flocked to the carebear game? And if you are familiar with UO's history, why do you think the Trammel/Felucca split occurred?

Has nothing to do with pwning, I just prefer to solve my own problems rather than run to some guy paid to listen to people whine all day to solve it for me.

Solve your own problems? By what, killing them? How will that solve anything? The person just respawns and now more people are angry and the circle of killing people to "solve your problems" continues.

[_-Gunslinger-_]

^about the last concern with patching after release...

Patching and finishing things up after release is NORMAL for MMO games. Maybe it shouldn't be, but name a game that had EVERYTHING, you wanted at release. It's impossible, b/c MMO games are an unfolding story and patches are a monthly thing with new releases and chapters. I don't look at this as a negative thing for blizzard.

I have full faith in blizzard's leap into the MMO world.


I was responding to strygun's comment on the fact that blizzard is not being rushed. We both agreed that blizzard games had a current "sheen" to them. They were polished and excellent games when released. This game will not have that polish or shine. Just read the FAQ and its painfully obvious. I dont blame anyone, its to be expected in an MMO to have patches adding content or bringing things up to snuff.

[Indecisive]

They have a contract with the publisher, and as of late, VU sucks.

Henceforth, they are going faster then they would like too. They have a deadline now.

[Baneblade]

Griefers are the people who know you can't do anything to them, so they try to ruin your day.

I am not advocating going on a noob killing spree, but simply not allowing PvP is lame and pointless.

[Zodiac]

Griefers are the people who know you can't do anything to them, so they try to ruin your day.

I am not advocating going on a noob killing spree, but simply not allowing PvP is lame and pointless.The entire Warcraft world is based on a war between the alliance and the horde. Faction vs faction pvp is the only type that even makes sense. Go shit on a different game that isn't based on a two sided war if you want to complain about the lack of FFA pvp.

[Baneblade]

I like the idea of having faction based PvP, but it isn't all there is in a game.

All I'm saying is WoW is not the amazing thing people keep saying it is.

I don't see the point in magically protecting some people in a game and not others, just because of which race or faction you chose.

[Zodiac]

I don't see the point...
Sobekeus, you keep saying the same thing over and over and people keep giving you explinations, are you just not reading them or do you keep posting the same thing for the sake of being argumentative?

[Baneblade]

If I am correctly interpreting what I am hearing, people are against open PvP for no good reason and/or don't know what it is.

[Rbstr]

well open PVP woudl be cool if all players are basicaly equal(ala PS as it is basicaly open PVP) so i could go up and stab someone, or randomly shoot a dude walking around the street. no matter what side he's on but if i do then his buds can all come after me, so the game will totaly devolve into a kill every thign the moves fest, at witch points play organizations will pop up to make order.

[Baneblade]

Well a Kharma/Alignment/Grief System would help curb that, as long as it isn't basically as bad as not allowing it at all.

[Slobax1080]

I like the idea of having faction based PvP, but it isn't all there is in a game.

All I'm saying is WoW is not the amazing thing people keep saying it is.

I don't see the point in magically protecting some people in a game and not others, just because of which race or faction you chose.
It is, and can be, an amazing thing "people keep saying it is". Just depends on what you want out of a game. Not everyone wants open PVP like Lineage 2 and others. To some, this RvR pvp is amazing, and exactly what they want.

i for one, will take any form of PvP that fits the game well. And for WoW RvR type pvp such as DAoC and SWG, is the best fit for it. :groovy:

EDIT: Sobek, go check out Lineage 2 if you haven't. You will maybe thing differently about open PvP after you are griefed by chinese botters in the starting town.

[Baneblade]

L2 sux and PvP isn't the whole reason it does. The game was designed horribly from the ground up.

[Lonehunter]

I don't see the point in magically protecting some people in a game and not others, just because of which race or faction you chose.
MMORPG
Role Playing Game, some people like to follow the tradition that was in the other games, like helping alllies.

[Baneblade]

Yes, but you can't have ebil people if they can't do ebil things.

[OfaLoaf]

Yes, but you can't have ebil people if they can't do ebil things.
Horde isn't really totally evil, the Orcs, trolls, and Tauren have this small issue with the Undead, which has internal conflicts as well. You're never on the totally evil side.

[Baneblade]

Exactly, nobody can be ebil in that game.

[Zodiac]

Please. The argument that "griefing pkers" are roleplaying evil characters in full pvp is the dumbest one I have ever heard.

[Baneblade]

Are you implying that killing people for no game engineered reason is somehow wrong?

[Zodiac]

Are you implying that killing people for no game engineered reason is somehow wrong?No I implying that killing people just for the sake of making their gameplay experiance suffer is wrong. :rolleyes:

Could you be anymore difficult?

[Baneblade]

Why would someone's gameplay be worse because I killed them and not some hairy guy with a club?

[Zodiac]

Fuck you.

[Dharkbayne]

Because the hairy guys with clubs don't spawncamp you, or follow you everywhere you go.

[Baneblade]

I'm flattered, but that doesn't explain why games with open PvP are bad.

A game with a story arc is fine, but why does it need to be adhered to all the time by everyone?

In PS it is a little different, because the entire point of the game is to fight, and there is no lack of that.

But in an RPG, PvP isn't the whole game, but the lack of it is horribly apparent in many games.

[Baneblade]

Because the hairy guys with clubs don't spawncamp you, or follow you everywhere you go.
The spawn camping is easy to avoid if the devs haven't decided it should remain.

As for the following around, that can happen anyway, so why not allow you to kill them so they stop?

[Derfud]

Sobekus. You are missing the entire point. Open PVP, does not work if people are not roleplaying. There will always be people who grief, or ruin someone else's gameplay experience in an open PVP environment. World of Warcraft is not Role Playing type of game. However, in a well monitered Roleplaying open PvP environment, there is alot of fun to be had. Think of how in roleplaying an open attack could be justified.

Let me give an example:

Justified: Your character walks into a tavern, you get approached by someone else's player character, they are playing the role of the bar's "tough guy" and give you an opportunity to leave or fight. You dont leave, and he attacks you. You fight him for a bit, but he manages to beat you. For one, he probably wasnt that much more powerful than you, otherwise he would have gotten in shit from the GMs for not properly roleplaying.

Unjustified: You are walking down the street and out of no where, another PC who is shopping at a stall runs up to you, and attacks your PC, killing you. That is an unprovoked attack, and in such cases, he would probably have been banned for not propely role playing.

[Slobax1080]

blablablablahhhh

stop arguing everyone, open pvp CAN work...but the point is that it WON'T work in WoW or other alike games..it's just that simple

no more arguing about games let's all do the groovy dance :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy: :groovy:

[Zodiac]

Sobekus. You are missing the entire point.I don't believe he is missing our points, just ignoring them or arguing for the sake of being argumentative. Either way, this thread blows goats.

Agree to dissagree or let it die.

[Lonehunter]

Unjustified: You are walking down the street and out of no where, another PC who is shopping at a stall runs up to you, and attacks your PC, killing you. That is an unprovoked attack, and in such cases, he would probably have been banned for not propely role playing.
What kinda RPGs have you been playing?

[Indecisive]

Man, Sobe I dont GIVE a shit anymore. Dont play wow, you would prolly be one of the tards that ganks lowbies anyways.

I bet you will download the open beta anyway

[Baneblade]

Nope on both counts. I am only kill people when I have to or when it follows the RP.

I have zero interest in Blizzard products atm.