Eve Online Update Thread

[Baneblade]

For those who have no heard of and/or for some reason still haven't tried Eve, you can get a 2 week free trial here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/buddy/

I know of several psuers who play, and an ingame channel named PSU you can join to communicate with some of them.

I offer my help in getting you started in Eve, whether with advice or just basic knowledge about different aspects of the game. You can find me on a character named Eximius Josari, or in the ingame channel: E.A.R.T.H.

I am currently working on the foundations of a corp and alliance. PSUers are of course welcome to inquire about joining, but mine is just one corp with a PSUer in it. Eye of God has several, mainly Peacemaker, Electrofreak, and a couple others. They know a decent bit about the game, so they aren't bad to talk to regardless of their cosmically humorous vendetta against me :rofl: .

If you do or don't sub, at least try it. Has a steep learning curve and takes a lot of patience, but it rewards you nicely.

[Mag-Mower]

I will ask this: What do you do? I want to try it, but dont feel like mining for more metal, like I did the last time.

[internetn]

I will ask this: What do you do? I want to try it, but dont feel like mining for more metal, like I did the last time.

Good question.. I've been "playing" for a year and I have fuckin idea what to do.. So I joined the EOG Navy.. or trying to join

[Baneblade]

I hate mining, I haven't mined since the middle of 2004. I am and always will be primarily PvP, maybe with a side of PvE for cash...but sometimes not even then. I make plenty of ISK, and don't lose all that many ships lol.

Granted I am not trying to hate on miners, it's just not for me. Too tedious.

I personally am working to build a corp/alliance that will become in time a major power in the Eve galaxy. It will take time and a lot of work, but it's already underway. This corp/alliance has room for freelancers (PvE,traders,independent manufacturers, etc), PvPers, and even diplomatic types. It's a rather unique approach to the idea of alliances in Eve, so should be an interesting experiment regardless of the outcome.

[Mag-Mower]

But what do you do? PVP, PvE, and Mining, is that it? If it is, What is envolved in PvE?

[Baneblade]

In PvE, it's mostly killing NPC ships whether through agent missions, complexes (think dungeons) or asteriod belt hunting.

[Rbstr]

We don't have a vendetta against you at all.

You just think up really really big ideas, and, to put it lightly, they don't ever seem to reach fruition. You also constantly cycle though characters for no apperant reason, and that's comical, if anything. It'd be great to see you succeed. I wish you luck in whatever your doing.

Anyway, if your looking for a corp to join that you can get trained up in Solar Storm is currentently recruiting all kinds.

You'll spend time in our sister corp Solar Industries untill your ready for the big time, this corp is currently doing an amazing job(acctualy it's larger than SOLST proper atm)

We're a member of the AXE alliance(this alliance also contains Eye Of God, the corp Peace and the others belong to), who, along with ASCN, is one of the big movers and shakers of Southern EVE if not the whole galaxy.

It's got a great bunch of people in it, now more than ever with some management changes we're in the process of doing.
Yes you might have to mine on occasion, but here in alliance life it's somethign that has to be done inorder to keep up on the arms race that is Capital ships.
Great NPCing opportunities lie in our regions, and we almost always have a PVP opportunity of some kind active
We also offer very cheap battleships with a participation based extra discount system. If you bring in 6 can's or rat loot, you get a free tier one, something like 8 or 9 you get a tier 2.
Now the corp is even going to start a program of PVP subsidies based on the PVPer's rat loot donations, for X can's of rat loot the corp gets, the PVP leadership gets X isk to spend on whatever we need, including tech 2 ships and mods that used to be only availible by purchase from your own pocket.

While the corp is primarily that of industry(we fill the market of impass with hundreds of mods, ships and other equip) it's not an obligation, my only industry skill is mining 4, I mainly shoot stuff.

Stop in SOLST_Pub if you want to find out more about that.

If you want to chat with any of the PSU crew, hit us up for cash to buy skills, or talk tactics, fittings and noobie questions, join the channel PSU. Wherever you might want to go in EVE we can probably give you advise and other recomendations.

Also last but probably the most important, DO NOT MAKE A CHARACTER WITH HIGH CHARISMA attibutes.

[Baneblade]

We don't have a vendetta against you at all.

You just think up really really big ideas, and, to put it lightly, they don't ever seem to reach fruition. You also constantly cycle though characters for no apperant reason, and that's comical, if anything. It'd be great to see you succeed. I wish you luck in whatever your doing.

All I know is, if any of you wanted to know why I do what I do, you should ask ME and not some biased second party who doesn't know much either. Half the stuff ya'll say about me is made up lol...cause I've never heard of it before :lol:

[Rbstr]

It's not made up at all, it's based on things you've said interacting with us.

Always got some great plan going on, but we have yet to seen on you've stuck with.

[Baneblade]

I admit my success rate is not impressive, but most of the problem's that influence that have been remedied.

[FortunateSon]

Heres my run down of my first week of eve

*spent all week making me Merlin in to a mean mofo, then i leave the dock and get blown away from some bugger in a Battleship who then proceeds to destroy anyone in the area including the police who come to stop him. My insurance covers my losses but im not spending another few days going round to collect the stuff*

[Rbstr]

Join a corp.

That guy lost his battleship, if it makes you feel any better.

[LimpBIT]

Heres my run down of my first week of eve

*spent all week making me Merlin in to a mean mofo, then i leave the dock and get blown away from some bugger in a Battleship who then proceeds to destroy anyone in the area including the police who come to stop him. My insurance covers my losses but im not spending another few days going round to collect the stuff*

thats basically the entire game. You get blown up in a decked out ship, and its too frustrating to rebuild so you quit. This is a game of patience, which most online gamers DO NOT have

[LimpBIT]

Heres my run down of my first week of eve

*spent all week making me Merlin in to a mean mofo, then i leave the dock and get blown away from some bugger in a Battleship who then proceeds to destroy anyone in the area including the police who come to stop him. My insurance covers my losses but im not spending another few days going round to collect the stuff*

thats basically the entire game. You get blown up in a decked out ship, and its too frustrating to rebuild so you quit. This is a game of patience, which most online gamers DO NOT have

[Jaged]

You have no idea how hard it is for me to not start ripping on this game whenever anyone posts about it.

[Baneblade]

Rip on it, I'm betting I can counter most of what you say.

[Electrofreak]

I don't agree with Sobe on much, but I do agree on this.

EVE is a game that *gasp* actually requires you to have patience and think. If you can't do either, you're going to think it sucks, because you haven't actually tested what the game is capable of.

People try playing it, mine some roids and shoot some NPCs and then decide it sucks. That's like going to an amusement park, riding on the merry-go-round and deciding the park sucks. Of course, if you don't have the patience to stand in line and try some of the good rides, you're going to think the place sucks. Maybe for you it does or it doesn't but how can you make a judgement when you haven't tried the best the park has to offer? If you haven't tried all the rides, don't go rating the park.

[Mag-Mower]

So, if I waste my time "waiting in line" what do I get out of it? whats the reward?

[Hamma]

I quit because I found it boring, I'm sure it gets great down the road but I really dont feel like sitting around for 3 months just to try the game when it gets good.

[Phaden]

Ok so the big thing that people cant tell me: Is this a 3rd person space shooter, first person space shooter, text adventure with not fighting just numbers or something else?

[Baneblade]

It's a second person Space Tactical and Strategic Simulation.

I say second person because it doesn't give you the RTS feeling of mass control, but it gives you more of a tactical feeling of control than a strict first person would give.

As for it taking 3 monthes to do anything fun...that's only if you don't know you can PvP in easily less than a week.

[Hamma]

Sure you can, but you move to damn slow and your weapons suck. :lol:

[Baneblade]

Well...frigs are relatively fast even at a young Eve age. A wolfpack of 1 week old players (ones with a clue tho lol) could take out a vet in a BS (even if he is very good).

Assault Frigates also aren't hard to train up to, and not very expensive either, one of the most budget friendly tech 2 ship classes.

You could be ok in a month and master a frigate in less than about 6 monthes depending on attributes (I'm including all the support skills too).

General use is fast to get, specialization takes longer, and mastering can sometimes take a year or more. It's just a matter of how good you want to be with that certain thing. But even then mastering a ship wont guaranteed you a win.

[Jaged]

:groovy: I totally just derailed this thread with out even directly insulting the game.

[Baneblade]

I didn't notice.

[Rbstr]

It's only boring if you let it be boring.

However I realize there are alot of people that don't like the delayed gratification and planing EVE requires. If it's not for you it's not for you.

Also Sobe: Assult frigs are the last thing a noobie should be in, they are expensive and not particularly usefull at this time. I don't know what your smoking or what kind of windfall you've got, but 20mill unisurable(+ fittings!) for a ship that will get dominated by any cruiser pilot with a brain(and those are fully insurable and cheap to the point that you can make money off a death), and they barely do more damage than an interceptor of half the cost.

Also frigate mastery takes longer, especialy if you want to be able to lose more than one every couple months with the piss poor isk you'll be making with only frigate skills.

[neon]

Lets just say that after a while when you start to realize the magnitude of things in eve it becomes very very hard to quit. Electro gave a pretty accurate example.

To play and enjoy this game you need to see what it offers and set goals for yourself. If you play this game without a goal its sort of pointless because fun is not handed to you the second you enter the game. You have to aspire to be something otherwise its not going to happen. Now what I said may not be very appealing, but I assure you that if you get far enough to experience PVP(getting blown up as a 3 day old noob doesnt count) then you are really going to enjoy it.

Another suggestion is to join a corp(guild,outfit, etc). People will help you out and you will be able to accomplish more working with other people. There is one corp called GoonFleet, which is composed of a larger number of SA goons who recently started eve, and fly in huge swarms of cheap frigates blowing stuff up. You'd probably have fun there. But you have to be part of SA to join i think.

[Mag-Mower]

Thanks neon, atleast you answered my question. I may try it out.

[Infernus]

But you have to be part of SA to join i think.

And that begs the question. Is it really worth it?


Goonfleet actually reminds me of what would happen if the 666th Devil Dogs was taken out of planetside, smashed over the head with a mallet a few times, and given space ships.

[Hamma]

:lol:

[Ivan]

If this game takes so long to enjoy, way aren't they giving out year trials?

[Rbstr]

Two weeks is more than most.

Enough for me to get hooked, just from looking at all the things I could do if i wanted to.

[Peacemaker]

Ahhh goon fleet! Much <3 for that pack of retards. The only alliance to lose a war in 24 hours I think!

Thanks for the shamless plugs Sobe, and as rob said, we have no hatred for you. Just keep switching chars and never sticking to a plan. Its the reason I wouldnt recommend you for EOG. Your lible to try and take over AXE (you wont but you might try) and end up creating a bit of a shit storm on anyone who gave you a green light for joining. If you joined my corp and just wanted to play the game and make friends like the rest of us do I for one would give it a go. But I fear your ideas might get the better of you and cause more trouble than your worth. And its not from what any of us have heard. Just what we have seen.

P.S. Hamma knows you can PVP at a young age! He almost helped us pop someone a few weeks back. Too bad Xmo droped the ball and we were picking up little pieces of Hamma's ass all over the asteroid belt!

Bait = good.

Bait defenders who are flying the wrong way = bad

[Peacemaker]

Strike that, ASCN/AXE Alliances (our alliances) just smacked the shit out of Tribal souls in less than a day.

[Baneblade]

Also Sobe: Assult frigs are the last thing a noobie should be in, they are expensive and not particularly usefull at this time. I don't know what your smoking or what kind of windfall you've got, but 20mill unisurable(+ fittings!) for a ship that will get dominated by any cruiser pilot with a brain(and those are fully insurable and cheap to the point that you can make money off a death), and they barely do more damage than an interceptor of half the cost.

Also frigate mastery takes longer, especialy if you want to be able to lose more than one every couple months with the piss poor isk you'll be making with only frigate skills.

Well I am admittedly not an expert on frigs...other than killing them that is.

[Baneblade]

Ahhh goon fleet! Much <3 for that pack of retards. The only alliance to lose a war in 24 hours I think!

Thanks for the shamless plugs Sobe, and as rob said, we have no hatred for you. Just keep switching chars and never sticking to a plan. Its the reason I wouldnt recommend you for EOG. Your lible to try and take over AXE (you wont but you might try) and end up creating a bit of a shit storm on anyone who gave you a green light for joining. If you joined my corp and just wanted to play the game and make friends like the rest of us do I for one would give it a go. But I fear your ideas might get the better of you and cause more trouble than your worth. And its not from what any of us have heard. Just what we have seen.

P.S. Hamma knows you can PVP at a young age! He almost helped us pop someone a few weeks back. Too bad Xmo droped the ball and we were picking up little pieces of Hamma's ass all over the asteroid belt!

Bait = good.

Bait defenders who are flying the wrong way = bad

Well like I have told you before, if you would actually talk to ME about the stuff that is going on, you would know what you are talking about.

Anyone can see a black man running with a purse and assume he stole it, takes a bigger person to make sure he isn't just trying to catch his mother that just drove off without it.

[Peacemaker]

Im a redneck.

[Hamma]

Can't we all just :love:

[Baneblade]

Im a redneck.

:lol:

[Peacemaker]

We do :love: hamma. Me and sobe have our agreement points. Like madona. Shes so stupid.

[Hamma]

:lol:

I do like the game, I really do. But it seems to be so.. slow.

I may give it another run at some point, we shall see.

[Peacemaker]

I wish the game had more skills at the start. New pilots get overwhelmed with things to train. The game needs skill ques too. Going on vacation for a week can bone you hardcore.

The game takes too long to get started and it leaves new players having to work too hard to get into position to not need people to help them make money. Take QuackCow. QC is in the prosses of building up the minerals to build his first battleship. The poor guy is grinding like crazy for it but it will be worth it. By the time he gets everything he needs for it he will have enough money and skill points to atleast fly it.

[Rbstr]

He's doing it alone too, that fucker is crazy.

Much <3 for quack

[Peacemaker]

Not completly. Ive offered to help him with zyd and mega. The building of the ship too with PSX. He IS mining a majority of it him self though. I think its good though. It really puts the game in perspective.

[Ivan]

Doing it that way probably will make him feel like he accomplished something.

[Hamma]

Yea the start of this game is a serious pain in the ass.. they need to improve the new player experiences.

Like that time I got owned up by the 5 - 0, thanks peace. :p

[Peacemaker]

Better you learn the lesson in a frigate than a Raven Class Battleship *COUGH COUGH ELECTRO COUGH*

[Infernus]

On the topic of EVE.

The redone ship models that I've seen look sweet - even if the amarrian tier 3 Battleship looks like rancid cunt.

[Peacemaker]

Have you seen the minnie Tier 2 BC? It looks like fucking sex with engines. Its a concept art.

[Infernus]

Have you seen the minnie Tier 2 BC? It looks like fucking sex with engines. Its a concept art.


http://www.somso.demon.nl/screens/abaddon_1_new.jpg

It was concept art.

Meet the abaddon of the new engine.

As opposed to the old one (http://www.somso.demon.nl/screens/abaddon_1_old.jpg)

The new mega looks bitching and a half too, its like they completely redid the wireframe of it in some places.

[Peacemaker]

Acctualy. Thats not the new engine :D thats just the redone buffed up versions on our current python engine. We have yet to see any vista renders.

[Baneblade]

Abaddon is the name for the Tier 3 Amarr BS I used in my topic...I wonder if that is where they got it.

[Infernus]

Acctualy. Thats not the new engine :D thats just the redone buffed up versions on our current python engine. We have yet to see any vista renders.

Whatever.

[Baneblade]

Either way Eve is going to be getting a massive facelift, that will hopefully eradicate rather than create stretch marks.

And in more personal news, the E.A.R.T.H. plan is going smoothly sofar, it will be a long time in developement, but ultimately it will be a major success for me and everyone involved.

[Infernus]

The new crusdader looks pretty bitching too. I want to see a crow though.

[Baneblade]

I haven't seen the new sader, I'm curious about the min ships tho.

[Infernus]

I haven't seen the new sader, I'm curious about the min ships tho.

I THINK that I caught a glimpse of the new sader in the e3 demo video.

I may be mistaken though, it was only a short little scene that it was in and it may have been either the old graphics or not even the ship at all.

[Hamma]

:eek:
http://www.fileplanet.com/163383/160000/fileinfo/EVE-Online:-No-Other-Destiny-Trailer

Might have to start playing again :lol:

Yea I know fileplanet, havent seen it anywhere else.

[Peacemaker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oF3PX9dPtk&search=EVE%20Online%3A%20No%20Other%20Destiny%20Tr ailer

[Electrofreak]

Nice. Just... Nice.

EDIT- Infernus, when I told my bro Knight Wyvern what you said about the Amarr Tier 3 BS looking like rancid cunt, his response was an angry glare (he thinks it looks awesome) and this quote:

"What?! PFFTT. No way! Besides, how in hell does Infernus know what a cunt looks like?!"

:lol: I do believe you just got owned. Are you going to take that?

[Setari]

2 words: Chocolate Cowboy.

[Infernus]

"What?! PFFTT. No way! Besides, how in hell does Infernus know what a cunt looks like?!"

:lol: I do believe you just got owned. Are you going to take that?

Does he know what a cunt looks like to tell me I'm wrong?

Besides... I was using poetic license.

[Baneblade]

Er...yeah anyway. Eve rocks.

[Electrofreak]

"Training of the skill Capital Ships to level 1 has been completed"

Just gotta get that to lvl 3, Caldari Carrier to lvl 1, and hop into a shiny new Chimera. :evil:

[Peacemaker]

Working too much to play.

[Baneblade]

"Training of the skill Capital Ships to level 1 has been completed"

Just gotta get that to lvl 3, Caldari Carrier to lvl 1, and hop into a shiny new Chimera. :evil:

They actually let you do that with low skills?

[Peacemaker]

What do you mean low? Me and electro are aproaching 30m sp.

[Electrofreak]

Yeah... I'm definately not lacking in skills. Maybe because I don't have a new main character every few months. :p

I've got just about every skill that effects the use of a carrier at level 5, I'm sure I'll get my with my "low" skillpoints. ;)

[Baneblade]

/shrug

If it works, it works.

[internetn]

So.. I'm in the EOG Navy.. Now what? This is frustrating

[Hamma]

:huh:

[Peacemaker]

Ask some people in corp chat channler. Theres always 40 people online....

[internetn]

pfft.. Isn't that what the Navy forums are for? :rolleyes:

[Peacemaker]

In game question = in game responce. Instant.

[Hamma]

Chan is a Seaman now :brow:

[TX3RN0BILL]

I will ask this: What do you do? I want to try it, but dont feel like mining for more metal, like I did the last time.

Well, for all those that don't like mining but would still like to participate in a large multiplayer space combat stimulator, they should go check out Free Allegiance, the community version of Microsoft's Allegiance (which Microsoft pretty much abandoned and left to the community, which have made a new release recently. Mining is done by NPC-driven ships and there is a commander in charge of each opponent (pretty much the second time a commander has an active role in a first-person-pov game after... hmmm... the Activision Battlezone series?). Sure it ain't an MMOG but pretty much so in terms of close contact (they've had combat with 130+ peeps simultaneously on the same server, which is actually pretty intense... they have videos of it, too...). Whilst I haven't tried it out yet myself, I'm planning to grab it, as it is free...

Visit http://www.freeallegiance.org and check it out...

Now back on topic, I just love EVE Videos (Especially EVE Never Fades Large)!!!

[Peacemaker]

Do not hijack our EVE threads. We defend them with a passion.

[Ivan]

Do not hijack our EVE threads. We defend them with a passion.
Whoa, down boy! Sit.... stay!

:love:

[Peacemaker]

RAWR

[Ivan]

http://www.wayne-harris.com/graphics/monster-rawr.jpg

:brow: :love:

[Peacemaker]

Does my arm pit hair turn you on Ivan? :love:

[Ivan]

When you braid it like that...

http://www.tridot.net/images/stuff/ohhellsya.gif

[Peacemaker]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR

[Baneblade]

Incase anyone gives a shit...or wants to donate a shit.

The recruitment thread for EARTH is up: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=339801

[Electrofreak]

No offense Sobe, but I've seen you go through far too many such projects to let myself become interested. Good luck with it, whatever it is. :p

[Baneblade]

No offense Electro, but you havent seen shit. :p

Infact you guys have only been around for one of them. And you don't know much about it or how it went.

[Hamma]

This whole argument is getting old, you all suck :p

[Ivan]

I love the e-penis contest in this thread. It makes me hawt!

[Baneblade]

Lol, well if they would stop making misinformed claims about stuff they don't know about, it would be all good. I don't rag on them for any of the stuff I could be.

[Ivan]

As far as I'm concerned all parties are guilty.

[Rbstr]

Incase anyone gives a shit...or wants to donate a shit.

The recruitment thread for EARTH is up: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=339801

Sehr Intressant.

You got very impressive plans, no matter what we say.

[Baneblade]

Sehr Intressant.

You got very impressive plans, no matter what we say.

Thanks, I'm putting my all behind them, bought the domain www.earth-fed.org (http://www.earth-fed.org) for a year, plus its hosting...soon as the website is done I expect interest will increase alot.

[internetn]

Chan is a Seaman now :brow:

Well.. Not quite.. I'm a Ensign, a freakin butterbar..

But in my BF2 Clan, the Unknown Soldiers =US=, I joined the Navy branch and stayed a seamen for the better part of.. 4 months :eek:

Now I'm a fucking Chief Petty Officer bitches!

Anyways, I'll be on tonight to ask questions.. And anyways Peace, I haven't been able to get anyone to let me into the Navy channel anyways..

[Electrofreak]

Lol, well if they would stop making misinformed claims about stuff they don't know about, it would be all good. I don't rag on them for any of the stuff I could be.

I don't make any claims. All I see is you moving from character to character, project to project. It would SEEM that had any of them been a real success, you wouldn't move on to another project. You haven't exactly provided us with a wealth of information either.

As for EARTH, indeed, impressive plan, but most of it seems far beyond the reach of a new corp. You're allowed to dream of course, it's just that in my humble opinion Sobe, you tend to set your goals a bit too high. Regardless, good luck with whatever crazy scheme you have this time.

[Peacemaker]

Lol, leave him be electro. Maybe the guy will do it this time. Who knows?

[Baneblade]

I don't make any claims. All I see is you moving from character to character, project to project. It would SEEM that had any of them been a real success, you wouldn't move on to another project. You haven't exactly provided us with a wealth of information either.

Well if you really want to know, all you have to do is ask, because otherwise all you are doing is claiming things.

As for EARTH, indeed, impressive plan, but most of it seems far beyond the reach of a new corp. You're allowed to dream of course, it's just that in my humble opinion Sobe, you tend to set your goals a bit too high. Regardless, good luck with whatever crazy scheme you have this time.

Everyone has to start somewhere, and I really think EARTH is unique enough to succeed.

[Electrofreak]

:shrug: like I said, good luck... but if I were you, I'd recommend shooting for smaller goals one at a time. That seems to me one of the biggest shortfalls of your other... uh, endeavours. It's good that you plan ahead, but you seem to plan TOO far ahead, and you seem to try to achieve too much too fast. That's just my personal take.

Project EARTH sounds like something that would take years to accomplish... thats if you don't get turned into a smear somewhere along the way by a powerful alliance or corporation :angel:. Generally, alliances don't like giving up large chunks of their space to a relatively young invading corp.

Thats another reason why announcing such ambitious intentions publically might not be the best idea. If you somehow get anywhere near those goals, any opposing entity will know what you're up to and stop you before you get that far. Just something to consider.

[Baneblade]

The EARTH Plan will take two years to be what I consider finished. I think that is rather conservative.

[Electrofreak]

Seems liberal to me, but what do I know, I'm only a left-wing democrat. :p

[Baneblade]

Well some of what is planned can happen rather soon, like the founding of the alliance...that can happen as soon as I get Empire Control 5.

[internetn]

:nodrama:

Anyways.. So whens.. Kali? supposed to come out?

[Baneblade]

The first patch is already on the presses, its happening over a period of several patches.

[Peacemaker]

Well some of what is planned can happen rather soon, like the founding of the alliance...that can happen as soon as I get Empire Control 5.

and a billion isk.

[Rbstr]

A billion is no where near as hard as it used to be IMO.

[Peacemaker]

For a new char like sobes'it isnt. As money saving as I am I still havnt broken the 1b marker in my wallet and prolly wont for a while. I just put it all into ships

[internetn]

Well.. I think its been a record.. nearly 6 hours on EVE today. And what do I have to show for it?... 250k of isk :(

[Peacemaker]

The hell were you doing?

[internetn]

level 1 agent mish's

I'm in Alliance Space now :)

[Peacemaker]

Lol. You close to a bs yet?

[Baneblade]

I blew 1.15 Billion ISK in the last month.

Down to a mere 394 million atm...but Im sure that will change fast.

[Electrofreak]

It's a good thing I dont keep track of how much ISK I spend. All I know is I've got battleships and piles of T2 mods that I've lost track of.

Most recently I've spent 810 million last week, graciously donated by the corp, for my capital ships and carrier skill books. Just a tad expensive.

[Baneblade]

Yeah, just once again dispelling the false information some people seem to think is actually true. I'm beginning to think it's all just made up propoganda with no basis whatsoever. :rolleyes:

[Peacemaker]

*sigh* There is no propaganda only what we have seen out of you in the past 5 times now.


As for the amount of isk Ive been blowing.... I just recived my selphinr and eos :D got a hugin too but Peace or ax cant fly it yet.

[Hamma]

Would you 3 stop the damn EPenis conversation :lol: We all play the same game - that should be a good thing. :p

[Peacemaker]

I try to... most of the time. Electro seems adiment on continueing it as does sobe :-P Ill have to pod electro tomarrow so hell stfu.

[Infernus]

I have no reason to even try to get 1 billion isk. All that getting 1 billion isk means is that I haven't been buying stuff I probably need.

Its not like the average player is going to be forming an alliance or attempting to curb the WCS market.

[Baneblade]

I just won't dignify ignorance with a response after this point. If anyone really wanted to know about anything I've ever done...all they have to do is ask.

[internetn]

Lol. You close to a bs yet?

Alls i got to do is train BS and I can get in one.. Outfitting it is something else.. But I got pretty much the skills to flew one. I could prob fly a cruiser pretty comfortably.. However, I'm scared to leave the station as I clone jumped out there..

[Peacemaker]

Lol, Aint nothin gonna hurt you really. You should be fine, Jump in a frig and look around. Not much you can do... yet.

[internetn]

Well I got an Ibis that came with the whole no stop trip.. soo...

[Hamma]

I prefer to call it an IBizzle 'fo Shizzle

[Electrofreak]

I've been honing my carrier wtfpwnage skills on the test server... goddamn it's fun.

So many killmails! :lol:

Powerful manned fighters that chase your enemy into warp, over 60,000 hit points, a wormhole-style jump drive, tons of slots and fittings, an entire maintenance array that other ships can use to dock and refit at my ship, a cargo bay I can fill with extra modules for them to swap onto their ships, and enough extra room in the drone bay to fit piles of extra drones of all types, allowing me to adapt to virtually any situation.

What is there not to love?!

[Hamma]

Nice :lol:

I will have to check it out when I come back :brow:

[Rbstr]

My carrier training is going to take over 250 days(I've got to finish some non-carrier related skills first)

I'll be able to afford one by then!

[Peacemaker]

Nice :lol:

I will have to check it out when I come back :brow:

1. your coming back?

2. Electro Me and boink have devised a devious scheme to make the moeny for my skill books since I doubt Extreme is going to help me (who knows why not)

3. omg wtf bbq test is online? Thought it was still off.

[Rbstr]

Been on sence last week dude.

[Baneblade]

Hey lol, im still banned in the PSU channel >.<

[Hamma]

1. your coming back?
Thinking about coming back for a bit since things are slowing down on the whole RL v2.0

[Electrofreak]

Sobe, I unbanned Eximius from PSU channel. However, first sign of any drama, from anyone, and the ban will reinstated simply because its the easiest way. I'm sure you understand. I really don't have anything against you Sobe, I tend to disagree with your methods and projects in the game, but it's not really anything against you. Lets try to avoid drama and I've no problem with myself or other people socializing with you in the PSU channel.

Drama issues aside, I'm having a blast in EVE on test recently (tho I did just get ripped apart by a Phoenix... Dreads will eat a Carrier for lunch). The place to be is FD-MLJ.

PS, Hamma, I do hope to see you back in EVE. I was under the impression that it wasn't your type of game due to the amount of work it takes to be on par in PVP, but if you're interested in coming back, let me know when you're back in space and I'll be happy to help you along :)

[Peacemaker]

It really doesnt take work to be on par in PVP. He wouldnt have been introduced to a pod really fast had Xmodum been aligned for the belt that one time... he did his job perfectly and saw an ambush :) The action in Stain is hot right now, I imagine we could toss him out there with a few guys as a tackler or dessi and he could have plenty of fun, hell even a black bird or thorax :)

[Baneblade]

Sobe, I unbanned Eximius from PSU channel. However, first sign of any drama, from anyone, and the ban will reinstated simply because its the easiest way. I'm sure you understand. I really don't have anything against you Sobe, I tend to disagree with your methods and projects in the game, but it's not really anything against you. Lets try to avoid drama and I've no problem with myself or other people socializing with you in the PSU channel.

Don't worry, I wont be talking about what Im doing in PSU channel, and any inquiries about it will be delt with elsewhere. I'm as tired of the silliness as anyone.

If someone insults me for no reason, I would hope they get the ban and not me however...duplicity isn't an admirable trait.

EDIT: Okay then...nvm, still banned. Whatever.

[Electrofreak]

Oops. My bad. Doesn't do much good when I'm making the changes on the Test Server. I've been messing around there so much recently I've been forgetting it's not live.

[Baneblade]

Oops. My bad. Doesn't do much good when I'm making the changes on the Test Server. I've been messing around there so much recently I've been forgetting it's not live.

:lol:

[Peacemaker]

Smooth.

[Hamma]

Electro got owned by teh intarwebs.

[Peacemaker]

He gets owned by everything. *Sigh* 20 days 13 hours till Adv Weapon upgrades 5 is done. Then.... it all ends... Nafalgar pwned.

[Electrofreak]

He gets owned by everything.

Tell that to all the poor bastards I tore apart in the FFA :lol:

When I'm done with Capital armor rep my surviveability will increase further as well. After my carrier skills are done I'll be heading towards Dread myself.

[Peacemaker]

Why get capital armor rep on a chimera?

[Electrofreak]

shield rep. you know what i mean.

dude, i just got back from 15 hours working give me a break.

Speaking of which, I'm starting my own business. I'll have to fill you in on that later. I've already got an office set up and should be accepting customers by Monday. I'll be busy, but the cool thing is I should be able to dabble in EVE while working. I mean... it's not like I'm going to fire myself. :p

[Peacemaker]

Trying to pull a kelcen?

[Hamma]

Amature Porn Site/

[Ivan]

Amature Porn Site/
You mean he asked you to star too? Electro! You said I was going to be the star! :mad:

[Peacemaker]

Your BOTH going to be the star!

No, but in all seriousness, kelcen is a guy we met in EOG. He fired up the navy with us, we became very good friends very fast. He ended up moving 3000 miles from the midwest to move into Electro's Step Mom's old house for rent. He has his own buisness doing something online and is apparently very well off after 4 or 5 years of hard work.

[Rbstr]

Why's he renting Electro's mom's house?

[internetn]

Why's he renting Electro's mom's house?

Uh.. so he doesn't have to sleep outside? :rolleyes:

omgwtpwnd!

:love: you rbstr

[Ivan]

The question isn't why, but how is he "paying" rent? :brow:

[internetn]

The question isn't why, but how is he "paying" rent? :brow:

buwahaha :rofl:

[Hamma]

Well I got back into the game a bit and picked up a Caracal. But now I have like 300,000 isk :lol: I need some places to get good cash.

[Ivan]

Hmm... Hamma playing again... I might have to give Eve a try again now...

[Peacemaker]

Ug, you arse holes... now I gotta acctualy play! :( W.e I need to mine, I fell asleep the otherday and lost a battleship...... stupid of me to play eve while so tired.... w/e Ark mining ftw.

[Baneblade]

The next time I mine, I'll do it in a Titan. And I'll FRAPS it.

[Peacemaker]

Dont get me wrong, Id rather be ratting, I can just pull down way more isk per hour mining than ratting, somewhere in the neighborhood of 100m an hour.

[internetn]

Hey guys I actually went mining with some EOG dudes last not.. Heh, brought in about 400 units of that crimson stuff though :rolleyes:

[Hamma]

yea so where can I make teh monayz?

[Setari]

yea so where can I make teh monayz?
On the pole, where else?

[Rbstr]

agents, mining, I dono.

[Peacemaker]

Best bet is to wore agent missions for about 2 weeks hamma, after two weeks I think you will have enough skills to get a BC or something that we can bring you to impass in. With a BC in impass you can tag along with a BS or even solo a few easyer spawns.... should make money in no time like that.

[internetn]

Or you could do what I did...

[Peacemaker]

He would quit. I have no idea WHY you did what you did...

[Peacemaker]

http://www.onlinestorage.biz/users/Members/nastykermit/everyonedock.jpg

Haahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. 8 Ceptors jump into Big Blue space with 64 big blue in system. The local results above.

[Baneblade]

That alliance's lifespan is nothing short of amazing...I think nobody can take them seriously enough to bother taking them out, or likes the NAGA store too much.

[Hamma]

He would quit. I have no idea WHY you did what you did...
The suspsense is killing me. What did he do?

[Peacemaker]

Channler, aka Internt was subbed to eve for like, a year, but never acctualy played more than one week spans, he just let his skills train....

[internetn]

Channler, aka Internt was subbed to eve for like, a year, but never acctualy played more than one week spans, he just let his skills train....

I r l33t like that.. You know.

Excuse me, I've been playing for 1 year and 4 months. What then.. 8.7 mill sp to show for it too..:evil:

[internetn]

Anyways why did I do that? Idk.. Life started shooting me with an with an 88mm and I had to take cover behind the local McDonalds. I was buried there for the greater part of a year.. So yea, i really didn't have time to play and eventually I forgot about it.

[Baneblade]

it takes me less than 7 monthes to get 11 mil sp... =/

[Ivan]

Anyways why did I do that? Idk.. Life started shooting me with an with an 88mm and I had to take cover behind the local McDonalds. I was buried there for the greater part of a year.. So yea, i really didn't have time to play and eventually I forgot about it.
Sounds like something I'd do! I paid for WoW for a whole 6 months and never played it. :rolleyes:

[Hamma]

bleh I just lost my caracal to a couple asshat pirates :( now im broke and my ships suck ass.

[Peacemaker]

no insurance?

ill see if i can help

[Peacemaker]

Hamma, hows 50m sound? :D Your gonna love how I get this :)

Your gonna get to see why Im know as THE "Vindictive Bastard" of EVE

[Hamma]

:eek: lol

There were 3 of us - I didnt have enough cash for Insurance. We saw a pirate in a stealth bomber following us, right then we should have bailed out of the system. Upon entry into the next system a Thorax showed up and started hitting us - this alone we could have handled but then the Stealth Bomber started firing Cruise missles from like 70m away.

At the same time this started happening my Ceiling in our room started leaking so I got sidetracked, all and all a bad situation.

[Peacemaker]

1. Who exactly where you with?
2. What were they flying?
3. Where did this all happen?

[Electrofreak]

Yeah, we like to war dec pirate groups for fun. It's funny how those badasses turn into cowards when they've got a fleet of our battleships sitting on their doorstep.

[Peacemaker]

Im not gonna ask for war dec electro, just gank em if I get the chance.... War decing them aint fun, remember when FRICK war deced our litttle ol corp? Lol we never got so much attention, they thought they were going to get a good fight out of us b/c we pwned the teddies but then they found out they JUST mighta over blobed us a bit. JUST a bit.

But seriously I just wanna know the circumstances behind what happened and if possible catch these guys with their pants down....

[Electrofreak]

that works too

[Hamma]

3 of us - 2 caracals and one (I cant remember what its called, one of the caldari cruisers) we were just killing NPC pirates, cruisers desteroyers etc. We started getting stalked by one lone cloaking ship - thought nothing of it.

We were just checking a system for pirates when we stopped for a minute next thing I know a thorax is scrambling me and shooting at me. All 3 of us dead :( I will have to get their names when I get home.

I am unsure which system - it was a dead end system that was 0.4 that had been pretty safe. Not much traffic other than asshats. I will get the system name when I get home also :lol: The online EVE maps suck

[Electrofreak]

The majority of the system names suck, stuff like Oursulaert, Aunenen, Nourvukaiken. Obviously thought up by Icelanders (the devs) on drugs.

[Infernus]

War decing is the most biggest waste of money that EVE yet has.

Other then Titans.

[Baneblade]

War decing is the most biggest waste of money that EVE yet has.

Other then Titans.

Signed.

[xmodum]

Oh please, I wanna test out my new T2 rails on these "ebil pierats"

This is gonna be fun...

[Peacemaker]

Not at 4 am....

[Hamma]

2006.06.02 01:39

Victim: CDLHamma
Alliance: None
Corp: Draconus Conglomerate Enterprises
Destroyed: Caracal
System: Horkkisen
Security: 0.4

Involved parties:

Name: Isabella Inari (laid the final blow)
Security: -2.1
Alliance: None
Corp: Revenge Of The Fallen
Ship: Manticore
Weapon: Wrath Cruise Missile

Name: Viper Comnnand
Security: -1.3
Alliance: None
Corp: Revenge Of The Fallen
Ship: Thorax
Weapon: Thorax

[Peacemaker]

omg you were in Hork! I used to run L3 missions out of there like crazy! We hunted down a 50m Bounty pirate for 3 days there... that system is a bitch.... but ok, Ill see what I can do.

[Peacemaker]

Isabella has a 10m isk bounty, Ill nuke her and take it :D shouldnt be too hard, she runs an average setup!

[Rbstr]

3 caracals and you all died?

:(

But man that thorax should have been down, unless you guys were target jammed.

[Hamma]

We were all hitting him and barely got him scratched.

Not sure what the hell was going on :lol: It was one of the first PVP experiences. Should have gone after the bomber.

[Rbstr]

We were all hitting him and barely got him scratched.

Not sure what the hell was going on :lol: It was one of the first PVP experiences. Should have gone after the bomber.

the bomber probably would have just ran.

What kind of guns did you guys have?

[Baneblade]

the bomber probably would have just ran.

What kind of guns did you guys have?

The missile kind.

[Rbstr]

DUUUURRRRRR.....

Assult, heavy, standard 0_o.

Or perhaps the problem was they had acctual guns fitted.

[Hamma]

Heavy Missile Launchers, Heavy Missiles - EMP and Kinetic Damage

[Infernus]

Heavy Missile Launchers, Heavy Missiles - EMP and Kinetic Damage

Well... the EMP should've taken a nice chunk out of his sheilds.

If he was afterburning you would've been doing less damage because of the explosion velocity though.

At the same time, the stealth bomber has a hidden bonus to its missles, and any stealth bomber pilot worth their salt will have the missle skills at level 4, at least. And depending on the range he had a true oppurtunity to fuck over atleast one of you.


I hate fucking missle ships. You make life so difficult, and not difficult as in you're hard to kill, just difficult in that theres so many different factors to your weapon damage that you suck.

[Hamma]

:lol: I want a ferox.

[Infernus]

:lol: I want a ferox.


I suppose its good enough to hold you over until they actually release the Missle Battlecruiser.

[xmodum]

Yea, he gets a ferox and he can join the big boys (Us) and make some serious isk. Get away from the lone pirate ganks, and move on to the fleet ganks :)

[Hamma]

What makes you think I want to go full missiles? :p

[xmodum]

Missiles are easier for noobie players, require alot less skills then guns......So Missles ARE a good choice ;)

[Infernus]

What makes you think I want to go full missiles? :p

Why would you want to go guns?

I regret going guns everythim I see a raven.

[Baneblade]

Do both.

[Rbstr]

Your all wrong. Drones for the win.

Drone ships can shoot while jammed, they have lots of room for Nosferatu, a tank, and tackle or ECM gear. They are probably the best up close and personal ships right now.

Though I do use both turrets and missiles(though the only missiles I'm good with are standards)

[Electrofreak]

Nope. Super weapons for the win. Dreadnaught cannons, Fighter groups, doomsday weapons. :D

In the meantime though, drones remain the most versatile weapons, and as a Gallente drone-ship user and carrier pilot, I can say with pretty good authority that they are the overpowered weapon of choice currently. Missiles, as long as you have the ability to fire Tech 2 warheads, are the second-most versatile. Turrets remain the weapon of choice for snipers and gankers.

[Infernus]

Nope. Super weapons for the win. Dreadnaught cannons, Fighter groups, doomsday weapons.

Can't hit small targets, can't hit small targets well and their carriers pretty much blow, can only be fitted to useless isk-sinks.

You do the matching.

[Electrofreak]

Funny, my carrier was easily able to smack the shit out of dozens of ships on the test server, generate a nice little pile of BS kill mails, withstand fire from several battleships easily, as well as tear apart anything small with a swarm of 9 tech 2 drones.

I only lost 1 Chimera in 2 days on the test server, and that was to a Phoenix Dreadnaught in siege mode that had partnered up with a Nidhoggur Carrier fitted with a scrambler.

They still don't have the survivability of a dread in siege, and will get destroyed by large BS groups. But if you use them in conjunction with a fleet they're invaluable, even if just for their ship fitting/transport abilities. Additionally they're apparently in for another boost by the Devs.

I put a lot of consideration into training for Carriers before I started training, and having messed around with them sufficiently, I'm more than happy that I chose to train them.

[Infernus]

I put a lot of consideration into training for Carriers before I started training, and having messed around with them sufficiently, I'm more than happy that I chose to train them.

That makes one person in the EVE community.

[Electrofreak]

Well thats probably because most people have to spend 2 billion isk to get trained and into a carrier, while I've got the corp backing me for the most part.

In addition, most people prefer being a solo pwnmobile, which capitals are not. They thing big guns and thick armor and are dissapointed when they can't fly off and take down a fleet on their own. I value tactical versatility and the abililty to be a huge asset to my gang. I mean hey, how cool is it to lend the Apoc next to you a set of Tachyons so that he can hit those sniper BS that the enemy keeps warping in on us? How cool is it to have some guy who just got his ship blown away fly up to me and hop into another pre-fitted vessel in my ship docking bay? How cool is it to give an Interceptor a nice little pile of Fighters as escort, have him go tackle a HAC while the fighters provide him firepower? How cool is it to remote tank my own fighters or a fellow ship with thousands of HP every few seconds using a capital rep? Last but not least how cool is it to jump to the aid of an enemy fleet simply by having somebody generate me a Cynosural field?

Pretty damn cool IMO. If you realize the fact that they aren't solo ships, and often they contribute most just by providing your fleet with logistics support, they're not as shabby as people think. The devs are apparently working on boosting them a bit as well, which I certainly won't complain about.

[Infernus]

Don't get me started on Cynosural Fields please.

Because it will almost certainly lead me to those cruisers with that oh so useless bonus and I'll start to cry again.

[internetn]

Waa waa! All you suck.

AFK FTW! But I understand Electro.. I like to be an asset to a group, not a solo foo.. From what little I've seen and understand of them they seem quite impressive in the right situations.

[Hamma]

What do they look like anyway I dont think I have ever seen one.

[Infernus]

They actually look pretty bitching, even if they are smaller then I expected.

[Hamma]

Holy crap:

http://www.eve-files.com/media/12/eve_chart-rmr.jpg

Just found that - I'd assume the big one there is a Carrier?

Found my goal in EVE :lol: I also enjoy support, logistics etc etc. Course - I'm sure it will be many many moons before I roll with a Carrier :lol:

[Peacemaker]

Those 4 huge ships are titans. The biggest ships in eve. Relativly useless right now. BPO is bugged too so you cant build them. The second biggest is the second teir of "carrier" the mothership. More fighters, HP, fittings, cap, cargo. Stand by, Ill up load an edited version of that showing what we can fly.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5771/modedchartrmr2hq.jpg

[Electrofreak]

Forgot to highlight all my Gallente stuff, noob.

The problem with Carriers right now is they're seriously way too small. They look cool as hell but are about 1/4 the size they should be (except for the Amarr one).

I've been told it's a model size bug. It's pretty retarded and embarassing. I can hold 3 battlecruisers but I'm not much bigger than one myself? 75,000 m^3 of drone bay, which is enough to hold squadrons of fighters or many thousands of smaller drones, as well as 5,000 m^3 (soon to be 10,000 m^3) of modules, amounting to thousands of ship-fittable items... the ship costs nearly 10x the cost of a battleship, takes over a year to train, and yet I'm actually smaller than the average battleship? Kinda sucks.

Once they're up around the size of a dreadnaught like they should be, I'll be happy.

[Peacemaker]

Dreads are the size of Mships. BUt yea, I frgt your galente stuff too. Sorz.

Im still pissed off that the god damn Carriers cant fit a Bship.... PISSED ME OFF.

[Hamma]

I've been told it's a model size bug. It's pretty retarded and embarassing. I can hold 3 battlecruisers but I'm not much bigger than one myself?
:lol: Yea that doesen't make much sense at all.

But you know what they say - size isn't everything. :brow:

Seems like the Titan and the Carrier should be swapped.

[Hamma]

oh forgot to mention I am now all trained up to use the Ferox - all I need now is to raise the funds to buy one ;)

[Infernus]

Dreads are the size of Mships. BUt yea, I frgt your galente stuff too. Sorz.

Im still pissed off that the god damn Carriers cant fit a Bship.... PISSED ME OFF.

WHAT ABOUT MY AMARRIAN STUFF ***?

[Rbstr]

Meh, I don't think the normal carriers are supposed to be huge.

Bigger than a battleship, yes and they are bigger. But not dread sized, or even that close. (unless it's bugged ingame, I think the size chart puts the carriers at a perfect size, I haven't really paid attention to any in game, the caldari is a bit small, but caldari ships have always been squat it's only smaller than the Apoc. Honestly the ship PWNs things, do you realy need you e-penis to be physicaly larger?)

Acctualy I think they keep the size the same, and allow them to use jump gates, in addition to the jump drive. To add a really cool versatility element.

Motherships however need to be way bigger. like 1/2 titan size or more.

[Hamma]

So what's up with the Titan - it doesen't work in some way?

What is it "Supposed" to do? :lol:

[Electrofreak]

Meh, I don't think the normal carriers are supposed to be huge.

Bigger than a battleship, yes and they are bigger. But not dread sized, or even that close. (unless it's bugged ingame, I think the size chart puts the carriers at a perfect size, I haven't really paid attention to any in game, the caldari is a bit small, but caldari ships have always been squat it's only smaller than the Apoc. Honestly the ship PWNs things, do you realy need you e-penis to be physicaly larger?)

Acctualy I think they keep the size the same, and allow them to use jump gates, in addition to the jump drive. To add a really cool versatility element.

Motherships however need to be way bigger. like 1/2 titan size or more.
Carriers are bugged in game and on that size chart. The only one that really is of nearly correct size is the Amarr Archon. Seriously, think about it. Look at the Chimera, and compare it to the size of any ordinary BS. The ship can hold 3 BCs, or a dozen cruisers, or dozens of frigates, over 2 dozen frigate-sized fighters as well, thousands of modules has 10x the mass, volume, and cost of a BS, and it's about the same size as an Armageddon.

That's definately not right Rob. The reason I complain is that it just FEELS ridiculous to fly around other non-capital craft. The ship rumbles like a thunderstorm when I kick in the engines, takes the better part of a minute to turn around... but is smaller than an Apoc... :huh:

[Peacemaker]

Its only got 500,000 space, thats enough for 5 average cruisers..... noy one dozen

[Infernus]

So what's up with the Titan - it doesen't work in some way?

What is it "Supposed" to do? :lol:


Thats the problem... no one is sure what they're supposed to do.

At the moment they are just useless, and unless some serious revisions are made to game mechanics thats how they will remain.

[Hamma]

That doesn't make much sense. :lol:

[Peacemaker]

Going to go get my first ever T2 BPO right now :D Wewt!

[Infernus]

That doesn't make much sense. :lol:

How do you mean?


You asked how they're broken. And they're broken in that they're useless. That makes perfect sense.

If you mean it doesn't make any sense that the Devs would completely ruin every old-EVE player's hopes and dreams by destroying the original titan class. Then you're right, that doesn't make much sense.

[Rbstr]

There was no Original titan class.

Just an event ship with some guns and more HP than a planet.

[Infernus]

There was no Original titan class.

Just an event ship with some guns and more HP than a planet.

And so should the player versions be...


they are TITANS after all.

[xmodum]

Well instead of solo-pwn mobiles they found a way to incurage Alliances with Titans.

[Peacemaker]

Encourage what? Blowing 80 BILLION isk on a floating piece of shit. THe Titans and the Mships are hardly worth what they cost. 20b for a Mship or 20b for an outpost... Id pick the outpost. 80B isk for a titan so you can, uh...... have it? or 4 outposts.... 4 outposts.

The titan right now is just a status thing, they cant do anything, cant even build them. Even in fleet battles they wont have the HP to survive. Their super weapon is mildly usefull but after that its a floating heap of shit. Great it can carry 5 BS in it... a whole 5. When your trying to resuply a fleet of 200 ships you need more than 5. The "slider" as I have come to call it (that being the worm hole generation) is worthless. Only 3.5 Light Years long at max skills. Thats not far enough to bring a substantial force. The DPS it puts out is less than some BS. No fighters. It even comes with an absurdly low amount of drone space. Definatly NOT worth 80b Isk.

The Mship only has the extra fighters going for it. Whoopdie do. 20 B isk for the capabilities of 2 carriers (2 B isk). Carrying a max of 2 Tempests or 1 other type of BS and an assortment of cruisers / one tempest it also cant carry the replacements for the ships that it would be flying with.

Clone facilities are utterly pointless if the newly cloned pilots cant get in a ship worth anything... and to expand on that max is like 25 clones. Gonna need more than that for your great fleet battles.

[Hamma]

I meant doesn't make much sense for them to put in a broked ship :p

[Infernus]

Encourage what? Blowing 80 BILLION isk on a floating piece of shit. THe Titans and the Mships are hardly worth what they cost. 20b for a Mship or 20b for an outpost... Id pick the outpost. 80B isk for a titan so you can, uh...... have it? or 4 outposts.... 4 outposts.

The titan right now is just a status thing, they cant do anything, cant even build them. Even in fleet battles they wont have the HP to survive. Their super weapon is mildly usefull but after that its a floating heap of shit. Great it can carry 5 BS in it... a whole 5. When your trying to resuply a fleet of 200 ships you need more than 5. The "slider" as I have come to call it (that being the worm hole generation) is worthless. Only 3.5 Light Years long at max skills. Thats not far enough to bring a substantial force. The DPS it puts out is less than some BS. No fighters. It even comes with an absurdly low amount of drone space. Definatly NOT worth 80b Isk.

The Mship only has the extra fighters going for it. Whoopdie do. 20 B isk for the capabilities of 2 carriers (2 B isk). Carrying a max of 2 Tempests or 1 other type of BS and an assortment of cruisers / one tempest it also cant carry the replacements for the ships that it would be flying with.

Clone facilities are utterly pointless if the newly cloned pilots cant get in a ship worth anything... and to expand on that max is like 25 clones. Gonna need more than that for your great fleet battles.

Indeed.

I don't see the arguement against them being 'pwn-mobiles' (mind you I'm not arguing they should be solo vehicles - I'm just saying that their fleet 'advantages' aren't too 'advantageous' to justify the cost) as you call them... They're titans - they're supposed to be pwn mobiles and they'll be rare enough that it isn't incredibly unbalancing. And if someone with a Titan takes aim on someone without then all the power to them - THEY OWN THE TITAN.

Right now a Titan is a status symbol that equates to saying "We had 80 billion isk to waste".

And while we're on the topic of stupid bonii. Lets talk about the recon ship's 'afterthought' cynosural field bonus. If anyone has read the new EON, Digital Communist makes a very very good point about the bonus. With proper setups and positioning a fleet of Capital ships can be moved across the map undetected - this rely's on the ability of the cyno-field ship to get into position quickly which is much better suited to an agile frigate then a bulky cruiser - esspecially in enemy territory. Fuel reduction is moot, you only need to use the cyno field once per jump. Also, if you're going to use capital ships in a fleet, you're not going to want to do it in a cloaked ship because that implies that you'll be setting up the field right under the enemy's nose. It had the great potential to be something rather interesting, don't get me wrong, but because of the game mechanics surrounding cynosural fields the actual bonus is much less useful then it would first seem.

[Electrofreak]

...And while we're on the topic of stupid bonii. Lets talk about the recon ship's 'afterthought' cynosural field bonus. If anyone has read the new EON, Digital Communist makes a very very good point about the bonus. With proper setups and positioning a fleet of Capital ships can be moved across the map undetected - this rely's on the ability of the cyno-field ship to get into position quickly which is much better suited to an agile frigate then a bulky cruiser - esspecially in enemy territory. Fuel reduction is moot, you only need to use the cyno field once per jump. Also, if you're going to use capital ships in a fleet, you're not going to want to do it in a cloaked ship because that implies that you'll be setting up the field right under the enemy's nose. It had the great potential to be something rather interesting, don't get me wrong, but because of the game mechanics surrounding cynosural fields the actual bonus is much less useful then it would first seem.

Lets make another interesting observation as well. Cynosural fields, for some reason, are technically classified by the game as a "cloaking device". Why, I have no idea. Now, fit a Cyno and a Cloak to a Force Recon ship and you'll have the same result as if you did the same with 2 cloaking devices. An error message stating something along the lines of "you can only activate cloaking device when only 1 cloaking module is fitted to the ship". Or so I've been told.

[Infernus]

I kinda thought up a change to the cynosural field that would make a bonus on the force recons useful.

Make it like an interdictor sphere or a scan probe, and give the force recon ships a related bonus to this new "cynosural field probe".

The probe itself will emit a beacon, can be targeted and destroyed. While the launching ship is able to recloak.

[xmodum]

Well you see, obviously you guys have done more planning for these things and know alot more than I do.

I retract my statement, they are a piece of crap. I didn't know most of what Peace posted.

[Infernus]

I think peace was being generous...

I had heard that the max range for the jump-bridge was only 3 lightyears with best skills. Not 3.5.

[Peacemaker]

It really is a pathetic waste of money. Id rather build 40 dreads than 1 titan right now.

[Electrofreak]

Or over 80 carriers. Signs indicate that they'll be getting a buff soon.

[internetn]

It seems like titans should be like.. idk.. super mother ships.. With guns on it for every level of ship in eve.. Like lots o' small turrets or missles for frigs, so on so forth.

[Electrofreak]

Well the idea is, if you have a superweapon that obliterates EVERYTHING, that's not an issue. :p

[Baneblade]

Well the Death Star has a superlaser, but it still managed to have a bunch of turbolasers too.

[xmodum]

Too bad this isn't Star Wars then, eh?

[Rbstr]

I can't wait for the tech 3.

Have you guys seen that railgun? +320 shield HP per gun with t2 stats otherwise.

[xmodum]

Link. Now.

[Peacemaker]

T3 is all cosmo's its gonna be really expensive :)

P.S. T3 is already out, just that no one knows it yet. Go look around on escrow, you can find a few autocannons and such that are T3

[Infernus]

Well the idea is, if you have a superweapon that obliterates EVERYTHING, that's not an issue. :p


Well see... it doesn't obliterate everything.

[Baneblade]

My plans in Eve are slowly but surely moving forward, I expect the alliance to be founded in about a month (have to wait for my corp skills).

[xmodum]

Well, Today and yesterday our alliance had a frig fest, All tech 1 frigates and shit, was fun as hell. I lost, Peacemaker won the first round (Teams), the Second round is stil lgoing atm, almost over.

This is a pic of me in my Harpy next to a Helios, waiting for the second round to end.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9308/200606200152112ke.png

Pretty fun.

[Rbstr]

I won.

20mil isk woot! <3 for my Tristan

Though if Peace had made it to the last round. His ship was basicaly the only one that could have beaten me there.

[Peacemaker]

Pissed me off soooo much, I crashed once, ogged back in, continued fighting, and was about to engage a punsiher. I hit my MWD and shot off towards him. Locked the target and launched my first salvo of missles a little early. I watched eagerly as the tell tail fire streaks swirved towards the target.... then... nothing. No boom, no reload and fire again. Nothing. FUCK I CRASHED AGAIN. My kessi flew head long into the punisher which easily webbed me down to a speed he could engage me at. When I logged back on I was in my escape pod. Lame.

Had I survived I would have stood a VERY good chance of beating Rob. Only a mistake would have lost it for me.

[Infernus]

I knew i forgot about something tonight...

[TX3RN0BILL]

Well the Death Star has a superlaser, but it still managed to have a bunch of turbolasers too.

Watching that posted chart of ships in EVE, the Amarr Titan looks like a start of construction of a Death Star... started by the large laser weapon... :lol: Now it only needs the rest...

Does the Amarr Titan have a weapon similar to the Death Star's laser?

[Infernus]

The superweapons are all large smartbombs that do area of effect racial damage on a "massive" scale.

In the Amarrian case it is EM damage.