Star Wars the Old Republic. What do you think?

[Tigersmith]

I was pretty excited about this game, until I saw it at PAX East Live. In playable form.

Looks like every other MMO, plays like the same exact thing as WoW/Rift. Thats the impressions I got from it. Am I missing something else?

btw preorder is up..and people are not happy. LOL You can preorder the digitial edition. BUT are not likely to get the copy on time..Yes this is a Digtial Copy..Unreal

http://i.imgur.com/uaU81.png

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ivny5/the_magnificent_future_of_preorders_with_swtor/

[Coreldan]

Seems to be nothing new whatsoever. Another WoW clone but with lightsabers.

That being said, it'll probably succeed just cos it's Star Wars, but I dont think it'll bring anything worth checking out to the genre, though.

[Hamma]

I'll be passing on this one, pressing 1-8 for my lightsaber attacks = fail. Just another wow clone, with voice acting.

[Sentrosi]

While playing a Sith would be awesome, I think I'm passing on this one too. The Planetside 2 news has pretty much made me put all my eggs in this basket.

[MgFalcon]

Ever since PS2 has been announced I really could care less for ANY other game.

I almost got rid of my MW3 pre-order... but my friends IRL play it... so it'll be a good distraction until PS2 :)

[Coreldan]

A few months back on APB forums I wrote that currently theres nothing coming out that would really interest me enough to prioritize it over APB (not even zomg BF3), except for Planetside Next/2 if/when it ever happens.

Now with the announcement and other official stuff, that's even more so true :D

[TrueDeviL]

I was real hyped about this game, Sith Marauder.. Fantastic!

Until.. I realised it's not a TRUE MMO... it's 8 vs 8... So.. PlanetSide already beats it's it in my books, and PlanetSide 2 will just piss over it methinks..

Oh Wait.. Lemme see what else £50 for the standard & £130 for the collector's?.. Are they mad?..

Last time I looked in a mirror, not only had I not won the lottery, but I also didn't have 'Complete F*cking Mug' written on my forhead..

So... No..

PS2 all the way!

[krnasaur]

yea, when it was first announced i was impressed, but it has slowly lost my interest

[Sovereign]

^ Likewise, I feel my inner sw nerd self has steadily declined over the years due to the constant folly of LA which enervates sw entirely..

Still despise the dreadful art direction, only a few steps up from WoW in aesthetics imo

[razor851]

I don't like Star Wars.

[Lonehunter]

Know a lot looking forward to it. It's definitely not like WoW, but it's a lot more story based like KoToR.

[Firefly]

I worked on PvP for this game. Is there PvP in WoW? I forget.

Oh wait.

[Raymac]

I'm a Star Wars geek, so certainly biased, but I'm still totally looking forward to this game. It's a totally different game than Planetside so it will scratch the PvE itch when I get it.

I'm not sure why you guys would be so against it because it "looks like WoW". That's kinda like saying "The LOTR movies will be lame because they are just a Willow clone". It's an mmorpg.

Basically, the settings for SW:TOR look absolutely stunning, and the voice acting is cool but may get old after awhile. Frankly, I decided I was buying it when the first cinematic came out.

When I want to chill and play an RPG, I'll play Star Wars. When I want some adreneline rush action, I'll be logging into PS2. (mostly I'll be playing PS2) So, I've got my gaming life planned out for the next 5 years or so. lol

[SKYeXile]

this game, bioware and EA can suck a fat cock. I have my reasons.

[Baneblade]

The game sounded a lot better when it was just a rumor. It gets worse each time there is an update.

[Geist]

I have no doubt it's going to be very similar to a lot of MMOs out there, with almost nothing new gameplay wise. But I won't be playing it for gameplay. I want to play it because it's star wars, and it's the sequel to KOTOR, which is the game that truly got me hooked on Star Wars.

Seriously, is there any other MMO that gives you Voice acting, and consequential choices? They even have a great "Random Party member speaks for the group" option if your playing with your friends(and a "My choices are my own" option for the loners).

What were you guys expecting exactly? Because I was expecting a multiplayer Bioware RPG and that's what I've been seeing so far.

[Logit]

The only reason I'm buying this game is simply because all of the people I played SWG with are firing up the old guild for another Star Wars title.

I'm not even worried about the game being good or bad. It will be fun for me regardless.

[Krowe]

Passed this up for GW2.

This honestly struck me as a WoW clone with animation and model differences.

[Firefly]

plays like the same exact thing as WoW/Rift. Thats the impressions I got from it. Am I missing something else?

IJust another wow clone

I realised it's not a TRUE MMO... it's 8 vs 8...

struck me as a WoW clone

http://www.askajedi.com/2011/08/28/pax-2011-open-world-pvp-announced/

Someone tell me, again, about PvP in WoW? Oh wait. I already asked. Still waiting...

I mean, it's fine to hate on a game. Don't get me wrong. I hate on games all the time. I hate on WoW because it's a shit game that I do not enjoy. I hate on games and sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. Everyone has their own preferences. I think CoD, MW, BF franchises are shit. I have my reasons. I do not enjoy e-sports at all. In spite of having worked on now four MMO-RPG titles, I am not at all a fan of RPGs. You can hate the game for being Star Wars, for taking away SWG, hate it for whatever you think of the art or gameplay. But I think calling it a WoW clone is ignorant - and not just because I worked on this game. If the game sucked, I'd be the first to chime in. I thought WAR sucked. And I worked on that game as well. I wish we'd had a better opportunity to make that game really shine. For various reasons, it fell flat on its face and I'm embarrassed to admit that I worked on it.

If this game was a WoW clone it would have no PvP. Last time I checked in WoW, there's hardly any PvP at all, and certainly NOTHING on the scale of hundreds versus hundreds, which is what SWTOR plans.

[Hamma]

But I think calling it a WoW clone is ignorant.
Probably, in fact the definition of the word says we are in fact ignorant.. This is because 99.5% of the people commenting have never touched the game. You don't have much to base opinions on other than screenshots and videos which to me - on the outside appear to be very much wow clone. You are basing your opinions off the fact you probably played the game.. very much a different animal.
If this game was a WoW clone it would have no PvP.
This comment makes no sense to me at all, WoW has plenty of PVP. Arenas, battlegrounds, world pvp etc. :confused:

[Lartnev]

Probably, in fact the definition of the word says we are in fact ignorant..This is because 99.5% of the people commenting have never touched the game. You don't have much to base opinions on other than screenshots and videos which to me - on the outside appear to be very much wow clone. You are basing your opinions off the fact you probably played the game.. very much a different animal

You started so well Hamma, and then failed to mention how WoW is itself based on other games :P~

[Firefly]

I apparently misspoke or was not completely clear. Sorry. Lemme rephrase: based on the available public information that we have, calling it a WoW clone seems ignorant to me. I'm not talking about based strictly on playing the game. All games are now compared to WoW, that's an unavoidable fact of life. I bet someone's going to try and compare PS2 to WoW. You can make a comparison based on information which has been released to the public. I am basing my opinion based on the available public information, not the fact that I helped develop and alpha-test the game (though that may possibly subconsciously influence my statement... I tried not to let it).

If by WoW-clone you mean button-mashing to attack, then yes. All RPGs fit into that category.

This comment makes no sense to me at all, WoW has plenty of PVP. Arenas, battlegrounds, world pvp etc. :confused:
Like I said - my experience is limited, so I'm sticking strictly with what I observed. I have not played WoW in forever, and my experience with it is limited and dated. If I'm wrong, please correct me. I will essentially detail my knowledge below. Before anyone gets all righteously indignant, hear me out. Help me understand this in case I'm way off.

I am aware that the potential for PvP exists - compared to, say, WAR? WoW's PvP was and is a joke. That's my point - not that it doesn't exist. This is why I said "hardly" and "certainly NOTHING on the scale of hundreds versus hundreds". I am aware of Arenas, which as I understand it are 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5. Is that correct? If so, and again this is a presumption, comparing 5v5 to either instanced combat for 32v32 or open-world PvP or even RvR lakes where capacity is determined by server stress loads (meaning hundreds vs hundreds) seems to fit your category of "makes no sense to me at all". I am aware of Battlegrounds, which are instances - is that correct? Those instances contain a finite amount of players: 20v20 being one particular number (Alterac Valley). Tol Barad being another but I can't remember how many people were in that one. WSG: 10v10, AB: 15v15, IoC: 40v40. I think you can see where I'm going so I'm going to leave it at that. As for the rest... I haven't seen world pvp since vanilla WoW. There are the occasional raids on cities for achievements or killing everything at the Crossroads. Joy... :rolleyes:

You started so well Hamma, and then failed to mention how WoW is itself based on other games :P~
You mean how World of Warcraft was a failed pitch to Games Workshop based on their Warhammer Fantasy IP, and thus is technically a clone of tabletop Warhammer: Fantasy?

[Hamma]

WoW has PvP I'm not sure how better to explain it. Your thoughts are fairly close, arena's are team based, world pvp is just.. well world pvp (and blows in any mmorpg imo) and yes battlegrounds are instanced.

I fail to understand what will make Star Wars any better at PvP though. You are still essentially at it's base rock paper scissors how could it really be any different than wow, lotro etc. It's not like PlanetSide where you have to aim and fire. You just lock onto a target in an MMORPG and hit 1-0 until you or they die.

You started so well Hamma, and then failed to mention how WoW is itself based on other games :P~

Doesn't matter really, other games are an afterthought now wow is the mammoth. :lol:

[Graywolves]

I know nothing of how SWTOR PvP will be and I'm not sure if I'll partake in any of it. I used to love PvP in WoW until I got bored of all the balance changes for PvE that ruined PvP and doing the same battlegrounds for however many years and Tol Barad is probably the biggest fail any MMORPG will ever have in PvP history.


But I'm drifting away from what I was gonna say. WoW and SWTOR are both hotkey MMO's (from what I know) but the similarities end there. Everything is completley different from there and SWTOR even has more built into it than simply target and click.


I'm gonna pick up SWTOR and play with my friends and have fun.

WoW had it's run, it's time to go into the hall of MMO's with EQ

[firecrackerNC]

Never got into WoW, never cared to get past level 10, but Im hoping the story is what keeps me in ToR. already got it preordered and been waiting for it for awhile now, though I have to say with every lame ass fan friday release I get less and less excited, and the no release date gets more and more annoying... -_-

[Crator]

Firefly, how would you compare SWTOR open world PvP to DAoC open world PvP? Much improvement?

[Firefly]

Firefly, how would you compare SWTOR open world PvP to DAoC open world PvP? Much improvement?
Well. See, the thing that we did with DAoC was, three-way. That's what made it unique (my opinion). Bear in mind, Mythic is doing the PvP for SWTOR. Why? Because they know RvR. I can't honestly say that one will be better than the other any more than I can say that Battlefield series is better than MW or COD. DAoC has its special trait, SWTOR will have its own special trait. They'll stand, or fail, on their own merits. I can tell you that I flat-out LOVE the PvP/RvR in SWTOR. I generally hate RPGs.

[ikon]

i have been in closed beta for a while, but got bored and stop playing recently.

mostly cause i was enjoying planetside for the umpteenth time.

its a fun game, definitly similar to wow but in its own way fun.
i been playing mostly on the sith side.

[Crator]

Well. See, the thing that we did with DAoC was, three-way. That's what made it unique (my opinion). Bear in mind, Mythic is doing the PvP for SWTOR. Why? Because they know RvR. I can't honestly say that one will be better than the other any more than I can say that Battlefield series is better than MW or COD. DAoC has its special trait, SWTOR will have its own special trait. They'll stand, or fail, on their own merits. I can tell you that I flat-out LOVE the PvP/RvR in SWTOR. I generally hate RPGs.

Great to hear! I was already planning on playing this game but this info. here gets me psyched.

[Baneblade]

They canceled the space aspect entirely... so there goes the whole Star Wars part if TOR.

[exLupo]

I'm in it for Bioware's story.
I liked Kotor 1 and 2. I'm sure I'll like Kotor 3-10.

MMO? What MM? This will be an exercise in single player content consumption. I've played enough EQ clones (wow clone? cmon now.) that there's nothing new to do besides consume story content. Raids, pvp, grinding, gathering, farming, crafting and the rest of the treadmill can suck it. Make a game that's about the journey, not the destination, or stop trying to get into my pants. Bioware, if their wild claims are to be believed, is trying to do just that.

[Graywolves]

I'm in it for Bioware's story.
I liked Kotor 1 and 2. I'm sure I'll like Kotor 3-10.

MMO? What MM? This will be an exercise in single player content consumption. I've played enough EQ clones (wow clone? cmon now.) that there's nothing new to do besides consume story content. Raids, pvp, grinding, gathering, farming, crafting and the rest of the treadmill can suck it. Make a game that's about the journey, not the destination, or stop trying to get into my pants. Bioware, if their wild claims are to be believed, is trying to do just that.


How do you expect us to get in your pants without us trying to?

[exLupo]

Buy me a drink and tell me a tale. It's how my wife did it.

[Hamma]

:lol:

[Tigersmith]

I dont have hours to debate this. I played this at PaxEast for 45 min. It was like the same thing as most MMORPGs. That was my impression.

My opinion of PVP in MMORPGs are pretty damn weak. Maybe this will change it? we will see. Im not going to be getting it. at launch. or maybe i will no idea

No need to get upset about this. Considering the past 10 years all we have seen is the same old Clones of mmos. why expect this one to be different.

[Raymac]

Yeah, I don't think they are trying to reinvent the wheel with this game. Instead they are just putting gigantic shiney rims on it.

[Hamma]

Chrome dubs with spinners.

[NewSith]

Without reading any posts and even the OP:

SWTOR - IS - SHIT

And believe the dedicated SW fan, I'm speaking truth.

[Krowe]

Chrome dubs with spinners.

DEY SPINNIN' DEY SPINNIN' DEY SPINNIN'

[Firefly]

They canceled the space aspect entirely... so there goes the whole Star Wars part if TOR.
I'm guessing you missed the space aspect.

http://www.swtor.com/info/systems/space-combat

There's also a big push, both internally and among alpha/beta testers and fans who haven't even played, to get the "space on rails" feel completely removed. In other words, they want to make it like space combat in EVE. In testing I've come across feedback requests about this and on the high side (internal) a buddy of mine in QA said something about the massive amounts of requests they got.

So, not only is space combat not canceled, but they're trying to make it the way fans want it.

[Hamma]

As long as it's not exactly like Eve :lol:

I'm still at a loss to understand why PVP is so good in this game than it would be in another MMORPG when it's still largely rock paper scissors?

[Crator]

Hamma, have you ever played DAoC RvR/PvP?

[Hamma]

Nope. :D

[Crator]

I thought Mythic was going to capture that large world RvR system that DAoC had with Warhammer Online. It feel short to that big scale, big open world feel though. Not exactly sure what happened with WAR Online tbh.

[Firefly]

I thought Mythic was going to capture that large world RvR system that DAoC had with Warhammer Online. It feel short to that big scale, big open world feel though. Not exactly sure what happened with WAR Online tbh.
Largely, they did via Open RvR servers. RvR lakes were supposed to have this, and at Tier 4 pretty much everyone was in RvR unless they were doing PvE to waste time waiting for people to log in for Guild Night.

There were a number of problems with WAR, some of them game-related and many of them staff-related. I'm sure you can get on Google and find any number of them. From a professional standpoint I'm just not going to get into it, however.

[Lonehunter]

I'm just not going to get into it
You know you want to

[Crator]

I don't know, he's said he's just not going to get into it a couple times already :P

[Tigersmith]

You know you want to

thats what she said

[Baneblade]

I'm guessing you missed the space aspect.

http://www.swtor.com/info/systems/space-combat

There's also a big push, both internally and among alpha/beta testers and fans who haven't even played, to get the "space on rails" feel completely removed. In other words, they want to make it like space combat in EVE. In testing I've come across feedback requests about this and on the high side (internal) a buddy of mine in QA said something about the massive amounts of requests they got.

So, not only is space combat not canceled, but they're trying to make it the way fans want it.

Well, if that is true and TOR's space is at least as good as SWG's, than I'm happy to stand corrected.

[Crator]

Space on rails = Twitch mechanics? They don't want that and would rather the EvE system of point and click ability game play? Interesting. I thought most space game models were going to the twitch game play system.

[Krowe]

With larger ships the EvE system would work, however it'd be cool if smaller ships simply used a gravity-less shooter style.

[Firefly]

You know you want to
I really do, because the whole thing just seriously pissed me off. But I'm trying to maintain a degree of professionalism. On top of that, it doesn't behoove me to speak ill of a company that puts food on my table and a roof over my head.

Space on rails = Twitch mechanics? They don't want that and would rather the EvE system of point and click ability game play? Interesting. I thought most space game models were going to the twitch game play system.
Space on rails: your path is pre-determined. You get a small degree of manoeuvrability and the ability to jink about, but your path is ultimately locked in. EVE's point and click system is unique, and by unique I really mean lame. I don't like either systems - I would prefer a completely free-form simulator feel, especially one where I can use my joystick. But that's just me personally. Also: what other space game models are you talking about?

[Sentrosi]

Want to know who had the Space Sim all wrapped up and perfected?

LucasArts. X-Wing, Tie Fighter, X-Wing vs Tie Fighter. Three of the best space sims of all time. I remember tearing up punks in my T/I back in the day. Ahhh, the thrill of going into combat without shields!

But, from an epic saga standpoint, I don't think anyone could touch Wing Commander. Each decision either helped or cost you. It wasn't the old "Do mission, get next mission" thing either. They really brought in both elements of a space sim and a storytelling standpoint.

Now if Bioware can mix what they're doing with TOR into a space sim/saga standpoint, they'll have a subscriber for a lifetime.

[Hamma]

Yea if they could get an amazing mix of good MMORPG and Space Sim - they couldn't lose. :lol:

[Crator]

Also: what other space game models are you talking about?

JumpGate Evolution was the one I was thinking of. Don't know many other ones in development tbh.

[Tigersmith]

Been Beta Testing black prophecy for awhile. This is exactly what you guys are talking about. pretty sick game.

[Hessy17]

played the tor beta weekend last week.... I was very impressed... just left me wanting more

[Sentrosi]

Been beta testing since the beginning of the month. The way they lay out the quests really makes me feel like I am part of the saga. I think they nailed the character creation. The voice acting is top notch. I love my Siths voice. I hope that I can get a chance to select my voice in the character generation screen. Love the cities. Reminded me of City of Heroes on how it really made you feel like you were in a city.

Count me as someone who is looking forward to this game. Next test I'm going to go the Jedi route I think.

[Raymac]

It's official 12/20/11.

Just in time for Christmas, although it feels like it might be cutting it too close. Perhaps it's not quite ready yet, but they have to get it out so I wouldn't be surprised to see it being very buggy at first.

[Tatwi]

I could write a long list of reasons why it doesn't interest me, but I sum it up with the most salient point:

I hate the stupid looking art style of the characters and if I hate looking at something, why the heck would I pay a monthly fee to look at it? Oh, that's right, I wouldn't.

Also, box fee? lawl get with the times ya bunch of no confidence in yer product cash grabbers...

Playing and loving SWG until it closes, then moving on to EQII until PS2 and EQN come out. I may finally try STO and DCOU when they go F2P as well.

[ikon]

i have swtor preordered and i'm in closed beta.
still unsure as to, if i want to actually play it.

I loved the sith stories and the gameplay/pvp isn't bad.
Just not sure if i'm ready to play another wow clone with superior story telling.

[Hamma]

Said this in another thread but I'm sure the Devs are thrilled with that release date, getting to spend every waking moment at the office for the entire holiday season :lol:

[Crator]

I'd assume games are most profitable when released around this time though.

[Firefly]

Said this in another thread but I'm sure the Devs are thrilled with that release date, getting to spend every waking moment at the office for the entire holiday season :lol:
It sucks but they wanted to get it out in time for Christmas.

[SKYeXile]

this game, EA and bioware can suck a cock.

http://toroz.com.au/2011/07/oceanic-release-for-swtor-the-state-of-play-24-hours-on/

[LostSoul]

I've not looking into this game to much, I'm getting actually tired of mmorpgs and their grind. It might be good, it might be rubish, I can always play it in a year or so if its actually worth my time.

[Hamma]

this game, EA and bioware can suck a cock.

http://toroz.com.au/2011/07/oceanic-release-for-swtor-the-state-of-play-24-hours-on/

Tell us how you really feel.

[I SandRock]

I followed this game since 2005 since it was only a "MMORPG rumor thread #x" on the bioware off topic forum. Since then, the game has really just gone down in greatness. They came back on a lot of their original ideas and plans and seemed to go more and more for concepts that were used in WoW already. Which is a shame because I've already played WoW to death.

Nonetheless, I'm still looking forward to the game. It shows a nice casual setting, the story IS nice to play through, I didn't spend any time looking at my xp bar wondering when I'll level up and the classes are really fun. And it's finally a sci-fi setting rather than those millions of fantasy games.
PvP doesn't seem to be turning into that much goods, I fear the open world pvp zone Illum has will just be like Wintergrasp, a glorified battleground on a timer.
But thats ok. Planetside 2 will sate my lust for carnage while SWTOR will just be casual group (co-op) fun.

It sucks but they wanted to get it out in time for Christmas.

And I'm sure they'll get a nice phat christmas bonus :P

[Graywolves]

I'm not interested into an MMORPG for PvP right now. If SWTOR or GW2 are successful at it, awesome. Or any other upcoming MMORPG. But after WoW I just don't think I should look into these games with hopes for good PvP.


Besides, if I did I wouldn't have a reason to play PS2 :D


But I am interested in SWTOR for the story. I'm not into single player games much anymore so going on adventures with my friends or random internet trolls is right up my alley.