Man put away for 15 years

[WildGunsTomcat]

Link to News Story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2124170/Cassandra-Kennedy-Father-freed-decade-jail-daughter-admits-lied-raping-11.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#socialLinks)

So this girl lied to the cops about her father raping her. He gets put away for 15 years...and serves 10 before she admits to the police that she lied.

He gets out and all charges against him are dismissed.

The DA will not persecute her out of fear of...and I quote:

But she (the DA) said that charging Kennedy might discourage victims from coming forward.

She added that it was not an indictment of the system, but simply a case of a person withdrawing their story.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2124170/Cassandra-Kennedy-Father-freed-decade-jail-daughter-admits-lied-raping-11.html#ixzz1r0vbx3nl

What do you think? Should she be charged with a crime for lying about this for so long and costing a man 10 years in prison for a crime he never committed?

Also, how logical do you think it is for the DA to say that this would discourage victims from coming forward?

Seems to me that this would discourage liars for bringing false charges forward.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[Quovatis]

How was the guy locked up based on the victim's testimony alone? That doesn't seem right. There needs to be some other evidence than just the victim's word.

But yeah, she should absolutely be charged.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[Warborn]

That woman should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Knowingly having someone sent to prison for years and years out of nothing more than spite and anger is pretty unthinkable. She's apparently a drug addict and all kinds of fucked up herself at this point, no surprise there, but to let this go unpunished for fear of women being made fearful of reporting rapes is lunacy.

[NivexQ]

Am I the only one that immediately thought of that South Park episode where every kid in town did this? Hell, it's probably where she got the idea...

[WildGunsTomcat]

That woman should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Knowingly having someone sent to prison for years and years out of nothing more than spite and anger is pretty unthinkable. She's apparently a drug addict and all kinds of fucked up herself at this point, no surprise there, but to let this go unpunished for fear of women being made fearful of reporting rapes is lunacy.

Exactly.

I don't understand how a district attorney could come to the conclusion that making this woman pay for stealing 10 years off of a man's life, her father's no less, isn't something that should be criminally persecuted.

To me it will discourage LIARS from fucking LYING about shit like this.

[Vecha]

It's fucked up. That's for sure...

The DA is...well not "right"...but she does bring up somewhat of a good point. Kinda. Not really.

Anyways, these type of situations can taint rightful sexual allegations.(Perhaps not in the courts...but at the least socially).

Many defense lawyers will attempt to put dirt on the woman's(and even a man's) name/sexual nature/etc. when in court(dressing a certain way, make it seem it was consensual, etc.)

I do however think they SHOULD prosecute her. There should be consequences for those who LIE and nearly, if not totally, destroy someone's life.

[WildGunsTomcat]

Many defense lawyers will attempt to put dirt on the woman's(and even a man's) name/sexual nature/etc. when in court(dressing a certain way, make it seem it was consensual, etc.)

I'm not even going to go down that road because the amount of vitriolic hatred I would get for my opinion on that would be staggering.

I might actually get banned.

Let's just say that I think more often than not women are aware of what power they hold over men in the courts...and they brandish it often.

[Baneblade]

You have to wonder though... what would possess her to do that in the first place?

[Vash02]

I'm not even going to go down that road because the amount of vitriolic hatred I would get for my opinion on that would be staggering.

I might actually get banned.

Let's just say that I think more often than not women are aware of what power they hold over men in the courts...and they brandish it often.

Oh dear, you're not one of those morons who believe women deserve or ask to get raped by the way they dress? You're right, you would be hated.

[Coreldan]

Yeah.. I'd put her behind the bars for the 10 years and make her pay pretty much all she has and some extra for the 10 lost years.

It's sad this can happen :(

[WildGunsTomcat]

Oh dear, you're not one of those morons who believe women deserve or ask to get raped by the way they dress? You're right, you would be hated.

Just gonna leave this here.

[Warborn]

Oh dear, you're not one of those morons who believe women deserve or ask to get raped by the way they dress? You're right, you would be hated.

Actually on this forum he'd probably get praised. Lot of right-wing conservative types here. With the rash of anti-woman bullshit, forcing doctors to assault women with vaginal probes for the crime of wanting an abortion, Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a slut and all that other shit he said, and so on, the culture of woman-hating and slut-shaming is alive and well in many parts of this world, and I do not doubt that he would see people here supporting him if he were to say something like "women who dress a certain way deserve to be raped", which is roughly what Rush has said in the past as well.

[Vecha]

I'm not even going to go down that road because the amount of vitriolic hatred I would get for my opinion on that would be staggering.

I might actually get banned.

Let's just say that I think more often than not women are aware of what power they hold over men in the courts...and they brandish it often.

I can, somewhat, understand your point of view.

Not saying I agree with it however....

I'd like to think my fellow man have at least some self-control.

Then there is the alcohol issue(one reason I stayed the HELL away from parties when I was in college).

I personally think both the man and the woman should be locked up for drinking and having sex.


(that last part was me being sarcastic).

[Baneblade]

Actually on this forum he'd probably get praised. Lot of right-wing conservative types here.

Oh, what forum is that?

[/quote]With the rash of anti-woman bullshit,[/quote]

I love women!

forcing doctors to assault women with vaginal probes for the crime of wanting an abortion,

Nobody here wants that... well nobody outside of a fetish anyway.

Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a slut and all that other shit he said, and so on,

What else would you call a woman that wants enough contraception for Debbie to Dallas... and Fort Worth?

[Vecha]

Actually on this forum he'd probably get praised. Lot of right-wing conservative types here. With the rash of anti-woman bullshit, forcing doctors to assault women with vaginal probes for the crime of wanting an abortion, Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a slut and all that other shit he said, and so on, the culture of woman-hating and slut-shaming is alive and well in many parts of this world, and I do not doubt that he would see people here supporting him if he were to say something like "women who dress a certain way deserve to be raped", which is roughly what Rush has said in the past as well.

The vaginal ultrasound thingy needs its own forum.

Pisses me the fuck off.

Here they are...taking money away from fucking school districts...and then want to waste my time/tax dollars with this ultrasound bullshit. :mad:

( I live in Alabama. They are trying to pass that law here.)

[Vecha]

What else would you call a woman that wants enough contraception for Debbie to Dallas... and Fort Worth?

Not a slut?

There are married women who use it. Engaged women.

Those who use it OUTSIDE of sex(painful periods...when they aren't maintained. The pills also are used for medical reasons outside of the prevention of pregnancy).

[Warborn]

What else would you call a woman that wants enough contraception for Debbie to Dallas... and Fort Worth?

What do you call a man who needs enough contraception etc etc?

[WildGunsTomcat]

I think we got a little bit off track here.

When I was referring to the "vitriolic hatred" I was talking about the fact that women can accuse anyone they want at anytime and they're automatically the good guys. I didn't want to incur the wrath of any of the WOMEN on this board. I wasn't saying that "hurr durr rape is okay because she's dressed like a slut."

I never said that women that dress a certain way deserved to be raped, so get that bullshit out of your head right now.

Also, I'm not a right wing conservative type...so get that bullshit out of your head right now.

I'm saying women have power in court now. So they can say "Omg he raped me" and the man is automatically fucking guilty now. Or even better, "Omg he beat me." and the man again is automatically guilty.

What I'm saying, as this relates to this story, is that men are up against a fucking wall now thanks to legislation to protect women from rape and spousal abuse. And I'm not saying that's wrong...I'm saying it can be abused.

So a woman can get drunk...willingly accept sex with a man...wake up the next day and claim rape...and the man is off to jail.

But a man can't do that. He can get drunk...have sex with a woman he didn't want to...and he can't claim rape....he'll be laughed out of the fucking courtroom.

That's what I was pointing out...the disparity in the court with regards to women.

And I'm really fucking offended that you think I'd encourage rape because of the way someone dresses. Fuck you for that one.

Why? My sister got raped when she was 17...so you fucking judgemental pricks might want to think about what you say before you fucking say it next time.

[WildGunsTomcat]

Actually on this forum he'd probably get praised. Lot of right-wing conservative types here.

Also, has anyone ever informed you just how much of a closed-minded bigot you are Warborn? I don't know if that has been addressed ever? But every time I see an argument against you, or that doesn't fall in line with your political and social ideals...well then that person must be a right wing conservative retard with no real understanding of the larger world around him/her.

For a group of people that supposedly stand for open mindedness and fairness and equality....you seem to keep your mind quite closed to other peoples' opinions and bash them quite regularly. Especially if those thoughts and opinions don't line up with the way you think the world is/should be. It's interesting and a little sad.

[Vecha]

And I'm really fucking offended that you think I'd encourage rape because of the way someone dresses. Fuck you for that one.

Why? My sister got raped when she was 17...so you fucking judgemental pricks might want to think about what you say before you fucking say it next time.

I thought it was a huge leap of logic to say you were A-Ok with raping women for dressing "slutty" which is why I brought up the alcohol topic.

I'm deeply sorry your sister went through that.

I'd recommend saying what you mean. Of course, this is the internet so who gives a fuck ;)

With that said....there are women(or men) who do have a few drinks and end up getting raped(not saying you don't know this. just saying.)

The whole "he-said-she-said" will of course cause issues...there is very little anyone can do to find out the truth.

I would also have to say there is a world of difference between a man penetrating a woman(and I guess regretting it later) while drunk and a woman getting into a situation(while drunk) and not wanting to go through with the sex.

A woman who takes a man up to his/her room is going to have a harder time pressuring the man to have sex...if he actually doesn't want to go through with it...unless she's the one who will be in the "man's" role.

With all the said...there is alot of stigma against rape victims in general. Won't say how much(as I can't)..and I can't say how much against men. I would have to wager a guess that popular belief is that man can't be raped...which does happen(especially in the gay community(but not JUST in the gay community. Had a friend who was raped after a bartender put something in his drink.)

[Baneblade]

Not a slut?

There are married women who use it. Engaged women.

Those who use it OUTSIDE of sex(painful periods...when they aren't maintained. The pills also are used for medical reasons outside of the prevention of pregnancy).

3 grand worth of contraception is more than enough for an entire porn studio for a month, so a single woman wanting that much just for herself? How can she not be a slut?

[Vecha]

3 grand worth of contraception is more than enough for an entire porn studio for a month, so a single woman wanting that much just for herself? How can she not be a slut?

I'm sorry...what?

A woman just needs 30 pills. That's it.

Is it 3 grand for the entire year?(Those pills are expensive).

So...if it costs 3 grand a year...how are you making a connection between this woman needing a montly supply and a porn studio needing a montly supply(of what exactly?) (ALL women would need this much. She doesn't take a single pill for a single session of sex).


So, again, can you clarify?

It was my understanding this was solely about the pill.

[CutterJohn]

What else would you call a woman that wants enough contraception for Debbie to Dallas... and Fort Worth?

If you bothered to listen to the testimony she gave, it was about how they wouldn't even cover BC for medically necessary shit. Yes, it has other, medically valid uses, but because it was a religious based insurance company, and the medication had the side effect of preventing pregnancy, it was not covered. The testimony explicitly talks about her friend who had some condition that hormonal BC would have treated, and who is now sterile because she didn't get it(due to it not being life threatening and her being a poor college student).

And there is more than one variety of hormonal BC. There is not just 'The pill'. There are cheap generics, but not all women react well to them, nor are they all equally valid as medications for all disorders.

3 grand worth of contraception is more than enough for an entire porn studio for a month, so a single woman wanting that much just for herself? How can she not be a slut?

Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school.

Bolding mine. In the future I'd advise you to read a bit. It helps to know the facts when trying to make an argument.

[Vecha]

Bolding mine. In the future I'd advise you to read a bit. It helps to know the facts when trying to make an argument.

Thanks for researching what that "3000$" came from.

So...way more than a single year.

Makes sense.

[Baneblade]

I have a hard time believing anyone needs 27 years worth of birth control during law school.

[Warborn]

Also, has anyone ever informed you just how much of a closed-minded bigot you are Warborn?

I'm okay with not being open-minded regarding sexists, racists, religious fanatics, and those sorts of people. I've made up my mind that being prejudiced against women or people of colour isn't something that serves a useful purpose in society. But no, I've never been told that. Although I don't talk politics with the Americans I turkey hunt with in Pennsylvania, either.

I have a hard time believing anyone needs 27 years worth of birth control during law school.

The numbers do seem off. Planned Parenthood says birth control costs at most around $50/mo., and law school is two years long isn't it? That isn't even close to $3000.

Either way, the cost and whether it's $3000 or somewhat less isn't all that important. Birth control is a critical part of health care coverage for women. Unwanted pregnancies are a whole lot more expensive than whatever the actual cost of birth control over the course of law school is, even if it were $3000.

[WildGunsTomcat]

I'm okay with not being open-minded regarding sexists, racists, religious fanatics, and those sorts of people. I've made up my mind that being prejudiced against women or people of colour isn't something that serves a useful purpose in society. But no, I've never been told that. Although I don't talk politics with the Americans I turkey hunt with in Pennsylvania, either.



The numbers do seem off. Planned Parenthood says birth control costs at most around $50/mo., and law school is two years long isn't it? That isn't even close to $3000.

Either way, the cost and whether it's $3000 or somewhat less isn't all that important. Birth control is a critical part of health care coverage for women. Unwanted pregnancies are a whole lot more expensive than whatever the actual cost of birth control over the course of law school is, even if it were $3000.

Right so you admit that you are closed minded to other peoples' ideals. And I love how you cite the extremes (racists, sexists, religious people) so you make it seem like you're any less bigoted against people that simply don't agree with you.

Oh and I love how you throw out turkey farming in Pennsylvania like I'm supposed to give you a merit badge for crossing the border into America...like that's supposed to make you an expert on our country.

3/10...not a bad troll...just not effective.

[Warborn]

Right so you admit that you are closed minded to other peoples' ideals.

I am also close-minded about rape, child abuse, terrorism, and raw tomatoes.

Oh and I love how you throw out turkey farming in Pennsylvania

Turkey hunting.

[WildGunsTomcat]

I am also close-minded about rape, child abuse, terrorism, and raw tomatoes.



Turkey hunting.

lol

Hunting, I stand corrected.

Still doesn't change the fact that you profess to be this open minded free thinker that believes in all the tenets of science and mankind's accomplishments...

But close your ears to someone else that doesn't think like you.

I find it fascinating. Because I listen to you, and I think everything you say is dead wrong...but I listen. :rolleyes:

[Vecha]

I have a hard time believing anyone needs 27 years worth of birth control during law school.


How are you coming up with 27 years?

http://asktheexperts.plannedparenthood.org/?p=3889

50$ a month.

600$ a year.

3000$ for five years(Usually takes 4 years to complete law school...but you also have undergrad...or perhaps she is adding the exam/doctor visits to get said BC).

I guess there is very little reason to debate with you if all you want to do is throw around inflammatory comments.

[Baneblade]

Why would anyone pay $50 a month for it? You can get it for less than half that even without insurance.

[Vecha]

Why would anyone pay $50 a month for it? You can get it for less than half that even without insurance.

It goes from 15 to 50. Some types are going to cost more. Some women won't be able to take certain kinds.

You have a right to disagree with the government paying for it. But calling a woman a slut over it is silly(you didn't exactly say that...but you were skirting close to it).

I think you and I have derailed this thread long enough though...:groovy:

Sorry OP!

[Sgt Shultz]

How was the guy locked up based on the victim's testimony alone? That doesn't seem right. There needs to be some other evidence than just the victim's word.

But yeah, she should absolutely be charged.

From what I recall, the girl had significant scar tissue, which they had wrongly attributed to accusations of rape by her father. As it turns out they have determined the girl was sexually active with multiple partners which her parents did not know about.

As for the accusations, she has deprived another citizen of liberty and that person deserves justice. Too bad they can't disbar prosecutors for false imprisonment.

[Traak]

Link to News Story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2124170/Cassandra-Kennedy-Father-freed-decade-jail-daughter-admits-lied-raping-11.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#socialLinks)

So this girl lied to the cops about her father raping her. He gets put away for 15 years...and serves 10 before she admits to the police that she lied.

He gets out and all charges against him are dismissed.

The DA will not persecute her out of fear of...and I quote:



What do you think? Should she be charged with a crime for lying about this for so long and costing a man 10 years in prison for a crime he never committed?

Also, how logical do you think it is for the DA to say that this would discourage victims from coming forward?

Seems to me that this would discourage liars for bringing false charges forward.

Problem with throwing her in the can is that it discourages others from admitting that they lied. If she would have been facing punishment, she would have left him in there for how long? Possibly forever?

[CutterJohn]

Problem with throwing her in the can is that it discourages others from admitting that they lied. If she would have been facing punishment, she would have left him in there for how long? Possibly forever?

Indeed. But not punishing her encourages others to lie. As tragic as it would be to be falsely accused, I think that not tolerating false accusations is far more beneficial to society.