EPA Radiation Coverup?

[Baneblade]

In a developing story that is raising concerns over a potential nuclear cover-up by the EPA, alarming amounts of radiation were reported near the border of Indiana and Michigan and later censored by the EPA online geiger tool. The readings, which were captured in a screenshot, measured as high as 7,139 counts per minute (CPM). This is particularly startling, as the normal radiation levels are generally between 5 and 6 CPM. Sources say that a Department of Homeland Security hazmat team has now been dispatched after ‘years’ of inactivity.

A number of community reports have came in on the subject in fact, with readers of community boards and concerned citizens offering up some interesting and intriguing information regarding the potential radiation cover-up. Discussion over the information first began to surface on internet boards like Reddit and user-submitted news source Digital Journal. In the Reddit submission, which ultimately reached thousands of comments — many from those in the area who had contacted radiation monitoring stations and other affiliated individuals — and brought some further information to light.

One Reddit reader, an eyewitness who reportedly attends a nearby University shared some concerning information which quickly rose to the top and was later confirmed by accompanying comments. According to the user, a large fleet of hazmat team members and reponse trucks funded by Homeland Security have been dispatched after years of inactivity. The comment, which has been screen captured for preservation, states:
“I work at a large public university next to a small research reactor that’s located near the back of campus. There’s (normally) a large fleet of hazmat response trucks and trailers parked in the nearby lot. Most of them are NIMS early response vehicles funded by Homeland Security (says so right on them). Haven’t seen them move once since I started working a few years ago. Tonight? All gone.”
The Digital Journal submission, however, was promptly edited and much of the shocking detail in the original post was wiped away. They quickly added an edit stating that the measurements must be false due to the fact that they were so high. Comments quickly cited the changes to be inaccurate and bizarre. One comment, currently at the top of the page, states:
“I don’t buy this false alarm stuff for one min! There are other independent sources doing their own measuring and coming up with similar results.”

As the comment mentions, a number of private organizations have recorded the radiation spike using their own methods to monitor the spike. One such measurement coming from the Radiation Network in Fort Wayne, recorded a massive increase in radiation as seen in the released image below:

www.naturalsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/radiationetwork.jpg

Amid the publicity, most likely amounting to hundreds of thousands of visitors to Radiation Network’s website regarding this image — which supports the fact that there is a massive and ongoing radiation cover-up — Radiation Network then issued a quick and delayed message on their homepage stating that they must have experienced an error in their system. Additional findings however, which are now censored to the public, confirm the findings once displayed by the Radiation Network. Again, you can view the original numbers in the screen capture showing the results before they were terminated from viewing by the EPA.

Therefore, to add even more credibility to the spike being much more than an unforeseen error, the increase was actually measured from two entirely different and privately owned locations (BlackCat and the Radiation Network). What this means is that the statements regarding the reading being nothing more than small fluke in the system appear to be quite impossible.


www.naturalsociety.com/nuclear-cover-up-radiation-levels-epa-geiger-counter-dhs-hazmat-team/

[Warborn]

Oh good more fuel for the anti-nuclear hystery. I can't wait until everyone shuts down those dangerous reactors and we go back to burning massive piles of coal instead.

[Baneblade]

There is always a downside =/

[Harrod]

8th June 2012: Massive radiation spike monitored near the Michigan/Indiana Border

9th June 2012: Government containment operation begins to investigate the cause of the spike. Media coverage is barred and previously reported data censored to prevent panic.

10th June 2012: Increased military activity in the affected region. Reports of sustained explosions from nearby citizens denied.

12th June 2012: A 15 mile cordon is established around the affected region, now known as 'RA2012-C'. All residents within this area are medically examined and evacuated to pre-planned shelters.

15th June 2012: Reports of sustained automatic weaponsfire near the cordon's eastern perimeter followed by a strike force of military jets approaching the area. Reports denied by government. No-fly zone established within 20 miles of the cordon.

18th June 2012: Mains water supplies cut off in region. Government begins dispensing bottled water.

19th June 2012: Anomalous weather patterns cause massive snowfall in the region.

21st June 2012: Reports of increasing rabid animal attacks spreading from the cordon. Reports denied by government.

24th June 2012: Redacted. RA2012-C reclassified as SCP-1293

[Malorn]

Meh.

[Harrod]

Yeah never understood why environmentalists hate nuclear energy. Its like they have no mental concept about just how much energy they produce and think a few windmills will compensate.

Japan's realising that now; a few people are starting to pressure the govt to turn the reactors back on. Nuclear power is plenty safe, you can count the number of serious incidents over the last 50 years on one hand.

Lessons in design should be learned from fukushima (an old and outdated design anyway), then carry on.

[Figment]

8th June 2012: Massive radiation spike monitored near the Michigan/Indiana Border

9th June 2012: Government containment operation begins to investigate the cause of the spike. Media coverage is barred and previously reported data censored to prevent panic.

10th June 2012: Increased military activity in the affected region. Reports of sustained explosions from nearby citizens denied.

12th June 2012: A 15 mile cordon is established around the affected region, now known as 'RA2012-C'. All residents within this area are medically examined and evacuated to pre-planned shelters.

15th June 2012: Reports of sustained automatic weaponsfire near the cordon's eastern perimeter followed by a strike force of military jets approaching the area. Reports denied by government. No-fly zone established within 20 miles of the cordon.

18th June 2012: Mains water supplies cut off in region. Government begins dispensing bottled water.

19th June 2012: Anomalous weather patterns cause massive snowfall in the region.

21st June 2012: Reports of increasing rabid animal attacks spreading from the cordon. Reports denied by government.

24th June 2012: Redacted. RA2012-C reclassified as SCP-1293

25th June 2012: Green mutant giant smashes tanks?

[Figment]

Lessons in design should be learned from fukushima (an old and outdated design anyway), then carry on.

Fukushima lessons aren't about design. They're about locational placement in geological instable regions.

I find it annoying that emotions trump rationalism here because you can't close a reactor in central Germany on the basis of a tsunami related disaster.

[Warborn]

Germany's knee-jerk idiocy of closing down nuclear power plants over the Fukushima incident was genuinely surprising. I mean, I get that politicians pander to the hysterical masses to an extent, but there were really that many constituents concerned about nuclear safety in Germany after the combo earthquake/tsunami broke Fukushima Daiichi?

This is one of the things I've always found so annoying about environmentalists. They'll go on warning about the dangers of global warming and how people need to do something, and yet that something can never be nuclear power because ATOMS R DANGEROUS or something. What do they really expect? That the power of hugs is going to fuel the planet? Well, what they get is coal plants, which are vastly more harmful to people and the environment than nuclear power.

[Harrod]

Fukushima lessons aren't about design. They're about locational placement in geological instable regions.

I find it annoying that emotions trump rationalism here because you can't close a reactor in central Germany on the basis of a tsunami related disaster.

From what I understand, spent fuel rods were stored above the reactors, fairly minor structural damage allowed the coolant they were stored in to drain/evaporate away and a partial meltdown ensued in the spent rods.

That is a problem that could potentially exist anywhere, but the fuku reactors were pretty old, and that layout isn't used anymore from what I remember. There are still lessons that can be applied to other designs though I'm sure.

Still daft to plunge Germany into darkness over it.

[Figment]

Plunging into darkness is a bit more dramatic, but Fukushima has been an excuse to close down nuclear power in a lot of countries.

Basically a lot of politicians have been looking for any causality to use as reason. In this case the tsunami that triggered the Fukushima incident.

Now, if they first up the capacity of alternative energies, fine. The irony is of course, that a lot of power that is going to be imported due to own plants closing will come from nations that still use nuclear power plants.


It is now used as an excuse to reform. Reforming is fine (more geothermal, wind and solar power, etc), but they'd have to somehow make the costs for it acceptable to the general public. So I'm under the impression the closure of nuclear powerplants is simply due to the strategical opportunity Fukushima presented to both appease the scared, angry, "environmentally conscious" population for the next elections, while also being able to generate support for passing energy policy reforms.

[Saifoda]

There is one good reason I can think of to look at alternatives to weapons-grade nuclear power facilities: Electrical grid shut down, possibly caused by EMP and/or CME (which can cause an EMP). This is quite serious, there was a CME in the late 1800's/early 1900's (can't remember exactly when) that shut down telegraph lines across the atlantic severing communication with Europe and America; the point about that in particular is that those mechanisms ran on just a few volts, so CME's are historically proven to be capable of shutting down basically everything. If you get something like that, it increases the risk of system failures for these plants. There are (as far as I'm aware, though I'm unsure of the validity/practicality) possibilities in the nuclear power technology field for using non-weapons grade elements which, from what I hear, are much safer in a coolant-failure situation.

[Figment]

That's just a matter of having a safety system that automatically physically pulls the plug on the plants (so to speak). I mean, just have a kinetic safety system in place that's inactive as long as power is on.

[RedKnights]

It's funny, all these nuclear accidently are considered public relations gold where I work for the summer, which is a Pro-Fracking lobby. :rolleyes:

[Sgt Shultz]

It's funny, all these nuclear accidently are considered public relations gold where I work for the summer, which is a Pro-Fracking lobby. :rolleyes:

Quiet! The first rule about Frac Club is we do not talk about Frac Club! Keep it up and I will have to call the Gran Poobah of the Secret Order to have your membership revoked!

[Sgt Shultz]

Germany's knee-jerk idiocy of closing down nuclear power plants over the Fukushima incident was genuinely surprising. I mean, I get that politicians pander to the hysterical masses to an extent, but there were really that many constituents concerned about nuclear safety in Germany after the combo earthquake/tsunami broke Fukushima Daiichi?

This is one of the things I've always found so annoying about environmentalists. They'll go on warning about the dangers of global warming and how people need to do something, and yet that something can never be nuclear power because ATOMS R DANGEROUS or something. What do they really expect? That the power of hugs is going to fuel the planet? Well, what they get is coal plants, which are vastly more harmful to people and the environment than nuclear power.

Have you by chance ever read one of George Monibot's articles in The Guardian? The material he puts forth is a bit difficult to stomach but its usually the comments that are esp revealing. Typically it starts with the usual boilerplate about evil corporations, then sooner or later one of commenters "let's the mask slip" and starts talking about population reduction. After that the rest tend to smugly agree that it's needed for the good of the planet.

I am pretty much convinced that today's environmentalist stop being strictly concerned about the environment years ago, in favor of promoting their own totalitarian visions of society, with then at the top. Everyone else is just a cockroach awaiting their turn under the boot.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[Vash02]

Best way to reduce your carbon footprint is to not exist.

Hey wait, that means the best way to save the planet is for humans to not exist...

It's like something out of an Asimov book.
Hello Mr Strawman.

[Sgt Shultz]

Hello Mr Strawman.

Strawman? Really?

http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/next-on-the-environment-agenda-population-control.html

This particular Strawman seems to have a lot of people propping it up.

[Figment]

Yes extreme strawman even.


Population control is not exactly the same as global genocide to mass extinction.


And yes, the best thing to happen to Africa would be a stop to the exponential growth of the population, in fact a severe reduction of populace would help them a lot.

Of course, nobody can say who is to live and who is to die, but the way things are now in Africa is not sustainable in the long run. I'd expect a huge implosion of populace and even more massive emigration waves. Hell, if there wasn't the mediteranean sea, we'd probably have seen a mass migration that would make the coming of the **** look like a schooltrip.


Unfortunately, birth control would not suffice for that, if it was even likely to happen or be acceptable in a continent where self-discipline is not exactly a priority and sexual standards are below any acceptable norms (aids spread, rape, teen and single mothers almost being the norm). Getting 5 to 21 children in a populace already starving to death and too poor to even pay for the education of one child is not exactly brilliant economics, is it? Also, why do you think condom programs exist? Because we've seen how the Catholic abstainance policy worked out so far. We're dealing with uneducated, erratic populace here, some of whoms leaders think aids can be cured by a diet of garlic and vegetables and where sex with random women is a man's right.

What we'll see instead is wars, because humanity has become a plague to themselves in Africa: not enough food, huge unemployment, extremely low wages, lacking ethics, not enough resources, combined with increasing ethnic and religious hatred and tensions throughout the continent.

It's a massive gunpowder barrel with the fuse plugged in, waiting to be lit.

[Warborn]

Africa has a lot more trouble in its house than population growth. And actually Africa's situation is perfectly sustainable. They were a lot worse off before the European powers carved up the dark continent for themselves. Even if everything there collapses, well, millions will die and they'll return to the more primitive roots many people in Africa still participate in. Personally, I'd rather we in the not-Africas interfere less in the affairs of Africa rather than more. Calling it a powder keg implies its collapse would have some serious consequences on the rest of us, which I don't think it does, provided we don't get involved in any serious way.

[Figment]

Africa has a lot more trouble in its house than population growth. And actually Africa's situation is perfectly sustainable.

Yes, that's why there's severe famines every decade in many regions of Africa, people poach for endangered species because they're already extremely loaded, loads of tropical forest is burned down and turned into farmland before turning into eroding desert area, the desert is expanding into previously fertile agricultural zones, civil wars are raging all over the continent due to the excellent economical and civilian situation, etc. etc. etc.

Sounds perfectly sustainable to me.

They were a lot worse off before the European powers carved up the dark continent for themselves. Even if everything there collapses, well, millions will die and they'll return to the more primitive roots many people in Africa still participate in. Personally, I'd rather we in the not-Africas interfere less in the affairs of Africa rather than more.

Millions will die, but they won't return to their primitive roots.

They'll turn to ideological extremes, whether religious or political. With the low levels of education and high level of biggotry and superstition, they're easy prey for whatever person comes along with promises, or a machete. They'll turn to ethnic violence as they grow more desperate as they've always have.

They are part of the world, they have access to technology, they just don't have access to wealth. If they had, we'd have ran out of natural resources already. Imagine if everyone in the world used as many resources as we personally do. It'd be an even bigger disaster than it is already and we already all lose in the end.

Calling it a powder keg implies its collapse would have some serious consequences on the rest of us, which I don't think it does, provided we don't get involved in any serious way.

Why do you suppose everything that's an explosive situation has to reflect on us? A powder keg (see image below) is simply a situation that's going to do a lot of harm to its immediate area and area of influence.

http://cowboylands.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Zorros-Black-Whip-Powderkeg.jpg

And regarding its influence on us... You ever hear about this thing called "natural resources"? It turns out Africa has extensive valuable minerals, oil supplies and large forests creating oxygen...

[Warborn]

Africa needs to sort its own shit out, period. Nothing you or I or our respective nations can do will fix what ails them. They need a fundamental reform of how they look at government and each other. Maybe it'll take hundreds of years. I don't know. What I do know is that the end-game for Africa, either way, isn't a mass graveyard. People will always live there. The ecosystem may change and some animals may die out, but life will go on. And one day Africa may join the rest of the world as a continent filled with nations which are not disastrous shitholes with a couple exceptions. Or maybe the world will end before that happens.

Either way, it's about the most pointless thing to worry about. Chip in for some mosquito nets and worry about problems that have any chance of you or yours affecting within the span of your lifetime. There's a lot of things in the world to concern yourself with without depleting yourself against the monument to lost causes of outside intervention that is Africa.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[Figment]

Oh they definitely need to sort things out. But Warborn, they are part of the world. They are not isolated and even if we are not there we still dominate their market. China is still mining stuff. Can we ignore them? Not as much as we would like to.

But yeah, I'm not talking about food aid etc. That never worked. The only help I'm in favour of is education and legal aid really. Competition and nurishment wise they should strike their own balance. If they can't support themselves, they should slim down. We can't bring welfare there. We can lend a walking cane for the first steps and stimulate business. I like micro-loans.

[Figment]

But yes, nukes.

[Harrod]

Any developments on the original topic lately?

[Baneblade]

Dont post when dazed and/or confused.

[Figment]

Any developments on the original topic lately?

I heard they're making a new Spiderman radioactive spider movie?