Tanks vulnerable to smaller arms fire?

[super pretendo]

Are tanks going to be in any way vulnerable to normal infantry guns like pistols rifles and snipers? And I mean vulnerable as in taking any sort of damage other than zero, even the lowest possible number

[Hamma]

Not sure on this.

[SpcFarlen]

Its been vague if they do. In a few of the livecasts theve said it isnt effective. Though never stated it doesnt do anything.

[super pretendo]

How was it in ps1

[Grimshad]

How was it in ps1
If I remember correctly, small arms fire vs armored vehicles was useless in PS1.

[Maltodextrin]

If I remember correctly, small arms fire vs armored vehicles was useless in PS1.
Well, you could carry regular, and armor piercing rounds.
Regular rounds were useless against armor. Armor piercing rounds were next to useless (Though I did manage to bring down a mossie with them once or twice).

[super pretendo]

I hope heavy weapons like max/heavy class rifles and turrets have at least some effect

[SideOfBeef]

In the E3 footage, max anti-infantry weapons DID damage tanks (slightly), as did MG turrets. However this could just be a special case, since maxes are closer to vehicles/turrets than other infantry.

I did not see any regular infantry using small arms on tanks, and I'm about 90% sure they would've done no damage.

[RedKnights]

I hope it does small arms fire to vehicles like in PS1, to took forever but you didn't necessarily feel absolutely helpless against them.

[erunion]

IIRC, they were against the idea of targets being invulnerable to certain weapons. They didn't want people to feel "useless".

Personally, I hope they don't do it that way. Having a tank that is immune to rifle shots adds to immersion.

[dyslecix]

I think they should be immune because otherwise everyone shooting at a tank with mgs AND AV weapons will make them even squishier than they are now

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[Erk]

I'm more worried about a tank that is specialized more towards anti-vehicles stuff being able to just as easily take out large groups of infantry.

[Vanu Techpriest]

I really hope not, vehicles already seem overly squishy from what I've seen on the Livestream.

[super pretendo]

I don't think they should be immune, just extremely resistant. In a video I saw an infantry focusing the back of a tank with a rifle, and I think thats a good idea. Having certain parts of the tank slightly more vulnerable to small arms fire, but still very resistant.

And an overall HP buff to tanks seems in order.

[Flaropri]

Immune I say no, highly resistant (which seems to be what they are going with) yes. I mean, I suppose I'd be okay with a Beamer or Repeater being truly useless against tanks (instead of pretty much useless), but a rifle should still do some damage, even if it is bare minimum.

From what I saw, the fragility of tanks didn't come from small-arms fire, and was simply due to the effectiveness of anti-tank weaponry... and cacti.

[Asherigo]

Hi all!
A nice thing in PS1 was the 2 types of ammunitions.
Will it be the same in PS2??

[I SandRock]

In one of the footage, I think it was totalbiscuit footage, you see a Light Assault jetpack over a magrider and shoot at the back, you do get 'hit' indicators then. But not sure if it will give you hit indicators even if it does no damage.

To be honest small arms fire should in fact do 0 damage.

[Erk]

In one of the footage, I think it was totalbiscuit footage, you see a Light Assault jetpack over a magrider and shoot at the back, you do get 'hit' indicators then. But not sure if it will give you hit indicators even if it does no damage.

To be honest small arms fire should in fact do 0 damage.

I agree. Small arms do nothing to modern military vehicles; futuristic ones couldn't be any worse off.

[Neurotoxin]

In PS, AI rounds do basically half the damage of AV rounds. I think this is fine, we have C4 and HA can have missile launchers all the time, so it is stupid to spend AI ammo on a tank.

Something weaker like a Quad though, yeah anything should deal it substantial damage with enough direct hits, especially from the sides and back.

[Haro]

I'd imagine that they probably can. I've seen very few games that actually don't allow infantry weapons to damage vehicles in some way or another, but usually its totally not worth it and just gives your position away.

I don't think we need to worry all that much about "squishy" vehicles succumbing to mass infantry fire, tank health will likely scale very differently for non-AV weapons.

[Arcticus]

Tanks are very resistant to metal bullets. They do, however, take massive damage from wood and other plant life. As infantry, I advise you to drop the nanotech weaponry and grab yourself a tree branch or a shrub or something. I think if you're sporting a magic wand or a staff or a twig, you'll be all set.

Of course, when the driver and the gunner pop out of the tank, don't be trying the quick-knife. You should have topped out your Whittling certification (5 points maxed out using organic & catalytic resources).

Stake through the heart works fine on both LA and HA (slow on the HA to go through their shields. Lean into it).

Against Inf, use Splinter Blast, works like a charm. You actually get to hear a death moan. And even when cloaked, you get the "1,000 blood droplet" animation

Against medics I have a dificult time...don't know what I'm doing wrong. That damn heal genade is OP'ed and that whole "time-delayed rez grenade" is BS. I kill them, the nade goes off and rezzes them and they finish me off...where's the balance in that, I ask. I'm sure that'll be fixed in beta.

If an Engi gets his turret up before you get to him, you're toast. I've tried using a bungie stick trap on them but not one has fallen for it. Campers one and all! What am I doing wrong here? Is there a way to take them down without using up a slot on the blow dart gun thing?

[Exodan]

I watched a video of the game being played on one of the demo pods at E3 and some dude tried shooting a tank with an assault rifle but no hit indicator came up on his cross-hairs as it did when he shot a person so I'm guessing, from that, tanks wont take damage from regular bullet weapons.

[Solidblock]

I would love to see a heavily certed sniper rifle being able to have anti-material rounds, to the expense of being weaker on infantry. To balance this they should do little damage to tanks, but perhaps a round more to kill 1 infantryman.

[Ruwyn]

I watched a video of the game being played on one of the demo pods at E3 and some dude tried shooting a tank with an assault rifle but no hit indicator came up on his cross-hairs as it did when he shot a person so I'm guessing, from that, tanks wont take damage from regular bullet weapons.

I certainly hope they still hit and ping and flash up even if the dmg is next to nothing. Baiting tanks into minefields with a seemingly easy infantry kill was hilarious. Hard to bait if they just ignore you.

[Nemeses]

Thought that all weapons could damage tanks, normal rounds doing the least of damage and then scaling upward depending on what you carrying.

[Baneblade]

There are no AP rounds in PS2.

[StarFault]

I would like it if heavy vehicles took no damage from bullets, or just very little damage, and aircraft were vulnerable to bullet fire, but only a bit. This could enable ground troops being able to take down bombarding aircraft, and work together to focus their fire on the aircraft to bring it down. Although this is probably not likely. I saw in the E3 stream that air crafts took very little damage (if any) when troops shot at them.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Light vehicles (see Humvee) yes, should be vulnerable to small arms. A tank... No. That's retarded. I don't care about pathetic whining losers who feel "useless". They should feel useless. It's a fricking TANK, people. No, this is not a simulation, but come on! People with the "I want to WIN no matter how stupid I'm being" need to go hide in a ditch.

Note: This coming from an infantryman.

Actual ARMOR should be immune to small arms. Infantry are squishy targets to vehicles, and that's only reasonable. Any even remotely intelligent group of infantry (3 or more) should begin including AT and AA weapons, just like in real life. Out of ten guys in a squad, there will be at least two or three carrying some sort of RPG/AT launcher.

Armor hordes become vulnerable to infantry in close quarters because infantry can be literally EVERYWHERE (inside buildings, on top of buildings, hiding behind that bush, etc). They also become vulnerable to aircraft under certain situations, just by the nature of the beast.

Artificial balancing is a big no-no. And unnecessary to boot. To a large extent, these things balance themselves by their very nature. Barring something being HORRIBLY and OBVIOUSLY unbalanced, if someone or a group of someone's gets pwned... It's probably because they were doing something wrong. Smart people will always use combined arms... and combined arms will win.

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And the scale PS2 will be operating on, these are the sort of situations that will exist. There is no need for goofy "balancing" like "If forty of us shoot M4s at a tank, we can kill it!".