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Old 2012-04-18, 07:45 AM   [Ignore Me] #550
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Originally Posted by Traak View Post
God makes access to his home available for anyone. It's free. It's easy. Standing on the curb and cursing God because he made it possible for sinful man to receive Jesus Christ and become sons of God? Why? Do you curse the police for arresting murderers? For starting them on a voyage to a prison?

Unlike on Earth, where many are in prison for being "too black, too strong" no one in hell is innocent. God is a perfect judge. He loves mankind. Police don't arrest felons because the police are unjust scum hoping to ruin society, for the most part. What do you propose be done with evil people? Have them all live at your house?

If you are so eager to live with all the "innocents in hell" then why not do what you can now and go live in prison with all those "innocents"?

No innocent person, no child, ever went to hell. No one who has heard and rejected the truth of Jesus Christ, or the Lord God in the Old Covenant times, is in heaven. If someone has never heard of Jesus, they are judged by their own conscience either accusing them or excusing them, açcording to the Bible.

This idea that God is mad at everyone for not telling him how great he is is idiotic, and is not found anywhere in the Bible. Maybe it is espoused by whatever literature you read? Whatever friends you hang out with? It's nowhere in the Bible.

People go to hell for the same, but more perfectly guilty, reasons that they go to prison. Because they rebel against the authority that offers them a choice. You can choose to murder or not murder. You can choose to steal or not steal. You can choose to accept Jesus Christ as savior, or discard him.

No one makes these choices for people, and everyone lives with the results of their choices. But innocents in hell? Laughable. Jesus is the door to heaven. No one gets to the father buy by him. Rejecting him is like claiming that lifeboats don't exist when you're on a sinking ship, and refusing to get on one. If you drown, it's your fault, no the lifeboat's.
No. He doesn't actually (don't believe in Jesus? Well off to hell with you, even if you spend your free time helping the homeless and perform many other deeds that would be approved of by any ethical person/society)
. You compare murders to gay people. That's a huge stretch no matter how you look at it. There's also a difference between being put in prison and being tortured for an eternity.


How does one determine innocence? If you're right, people are put into hell for simply not believing in Jesus being the son of god. How is that a crime? How is being gay a crime but rape isn't (according to the bible)?

Actually plently of people who have never heard the law go to hell, according the the bible.

Romans 3
20Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

No man, however virtuous, can be justified by law keeping.

The god suggested by the bible is hardly perfect. He seems to fail at doing whatever he tries to do most of the time.

The idea isn't as far-fetched as you make it sounds as it is touched upon in the bible. There are several verses that talk about how you should worship and/or fear god, and then go and murder everyone who doesn't believe in him. While it's true that none of it says you're going to hell if you don't do it, it's still suggests that the god of the bible is a vain narcissist, and yes very angry that people would not worship him.

You're comparing stealing and murder to not believing that someone isn't the son of bigfoot. Seriously?
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