[CutterJohn]

Originally Posted by IDukeNukeml

First off, Fore-most. Beyond the Big-Bang-Theory there was SOMETHING. I don't give one purple deer poop what. There WAS something and we dont know what it was. PERIOD.. END... woooo hoooooooo logic has FAILED. SOMETHING somewhere somehow created us. END.. Beyond all fucking Ends... END.

END. Get that? End. Re-read it. END.

First off, lets suppose that something existed before the big bang. Ok. All that does is push the question off one level. If a god like entity created the universe, then what created it? Another, higher level god? And it? An even more powerful god? Its just turtles all the way down?

There are three options.

1.The universe sprang, for absolutely no reason, from a nothingness so absolute even labeling it belies its true nature.

2.The universe has always existed in some form.

3.Something created the universe, or the state of another universe led to the formation of ours.

Whichever is true, the mere fact that something exists at all(including the option of a god) is both staggering, and utterly ridiculous, and its possible we may never know the answer.

OKAY then. Secondly and lastly, the Aztecs had a god, the fuckers that believed in zues had their gods... budda popped up in there somewhere and so did many others including Christ.

This tells me ONE thing. SOMEONE aint wrong. Now bare with me as I have been called ignorant, stupid and gullable this entire time I have been trying to defend SOME higher power. Plus I'm drunk. :")

First off, budda was not a god. He believed in gods, but believed they were irrelevant, caught in the same trap of reality we were, and were searching for nirvana same as we.


Secondly, it does NOT mean someone is right. If anything its proof that they're all wrong, since nobody agrees with anyone else, and every single religion, including the dead ones, has claimed it is the truth. If we'd come over to america and they had bibles and were quoting jesus, that would be proof.


Religions formed because they were a useful tool for early man to compel behavior(don't lie, cheat, steal, kill are all fairly common proscriptions), were a way to explain the unexplainable(humans do not like not understanding something. God did it settles the matter simply without further thought), and were a way to take the edge off the grief of loss... at a time of such extreme emotion people will believe anything that gives them a dose of comfort, especially in this sad, cruel world.

How the fuck, can you sit, in your chair.... and think we crawled out the fucking ocean to become this.... OKAY.... got it.. we crawled out the ocean... we grew legs over several thousands of years... GOT IT..Check!

Fossils paint a clear path of this happening.

Now... How did we evolve past and during the dinosaurs... THEN LIVE A FUCKING METEOR THAT MADE A NUCLEAR WINTER.. and the t-rex didnt..... Okay! Got it... we're stubborn.... check!

The earth has had 6-8 major extinction events, and dozens/hundreds of minor ones. 'We' didn't survive the dinosaurs. We were dinosaurs. A group of dinosaurs(these fellas)(and please keep in mind 'dinosaur' is an extremely generic name covering an enormous range of species of hundreds of millions of years) began evolving mammalian qualities. Around the time the of the asteroid that hit the gulf of mexico(yes, we know where it hit. Do you think we cannot determine anything?), the precursors of mammals were largely nocturnal/subterranean animals. The extreme climate shifts from the impact are what gave mammals the edge to become one of the dominant species on the planet.

You'll note evidence of our nocturnal/subterranean nature. Check your eyes. Odds are you wear glasses. See, mammals lost much of the use of their eyes, being subterranean, and we had to reevolve them to a certain degree. Avians, who branched off from dinosaurs somewhat after mammals did, and never went through a nocturnal/subterranean period, kept their eyes. The difference? They don't focus with their lens, they focus with the far more flexible eyeball itself, which also doesn't lose flexibility as they age. Consequently, avians have nearly perfect vision their entire lives. There is another difference as well. All species of birds have color vision

Now for the ending.... What the hell possesed us to write? What possesed us to continue? Like all of the other creatures that survived, why were the ONLY ones who decided to write? Why were the only ones who decided to use tools? Why were we the only ones who succeeded to this point?

Writing was actually a huge technological innovation for humans. Hell, many native american cultures never even figured it out. The advantages that language confer on a pack animal should be obvious. How did language come about? By grunts and squeals and yells, at first. Vocal chords exist for a reason, communication. Most animals are limited to communicating primal emotions. Anger, fear, danger, etc. Some animals take names. Theres a particular species of parrot, for instance, where each individual has a unique name. Bees can communicate such things as direction and distance of a food source. Humans aren't unique in their ability to communicate, they are just unique in the depth of their ability.


As for tool use, nobody is sure, but there are hypothesis. Pre humans were a species of ape that took to scavenging for food on the planes. We developed into bipeds because the forelimbs that had evolved as a response to living in/among trees were ill suited for locomotion on land, and while being bipedal is slower and less agile than using four limbs, it is more efficient. Efficiency is not a useful trait for a predator, or for prey, but it is a very good trait for a scavenger. Limbs not used for locomotion were instead used more and more for grasping and manipulating and carrying(possibly to carry food found back to the pack/young). Eventually.. they started picking up rocks and sticks.

Further support of the plains dwelling nature is our eyes. We're one of the few primates with color vision, and our vision is much more acute. Forest dwelling apes do not need to see for long distance, since they live in trees for protection.

The fact remains and will always remain. We... Do not.. know everything... To think you know it all from WIKI, Boggles.. my fucking.. brain.... it makes me realize how ignorant you are and how closed minded you are... YOU WILL FOLLOW someone smarter than you BLINDLY, even if you don't agree, eventually. Then you will fight THIER truth to the death.

And how blindly have you followed a religion? Have you bothered to search for an answer? Have you bothered to look at any of the dozens of websites that pick apart the bible? At least wiki has a requirement for citations at the bottom of the page. Who can we call to clarify the bible?

Yes we have to take a lot on 'faith'. Not because we want to, simply because we all live in a state of functional ignorance. There is vastly more information to be known than a single humans capacity to know it. If we took nothing in good faith, we could get nothing done. Sometimes we have to accept that people know what they are talking about. The difference(and its a biiiiiiig difference), is that the type of knowledge we take faith has empirical evidence to support it. If I wanted to, if I didn't trust their word, I could look at their evidence and judge for myself if their conclusions were poor.

A lot of people have spent a very long time doing exactly that. There is nothing scientists love more than proving other scientists wrong.


The only reason you have no faith in the scientific explanation of the evolution of man is because of some ancient book. So you call it a 'theory' and mock trusting that explanation as faith. Tell me. Do you not believe in gravity either? The theory of gravity. Thats right, its a theory, because to this day we don't exactly know how it works. We can measure it, predict it, even have to account for its time dilation effect to make sure that GPS on your dash is right. Do you believe the electromagnetic spectrum exists? The photoelectric effect? How about internal combustion engines? Your bible is silent on all of these matters. Fundamental to our day to day lives. You'd think god might have said something about fission or fusion, or even atoms, or that the earth rotated the sun, or hey, maybe even something useful to ancient peoples like germ theory. You know, wash your hands before delivering babies and operating on people. Closest it came to that was don't eat pig.

If you want answers on any of those things, and a great many more, you must turn to science, because the bible is completely silent on those matters. And there's nobody you can ask to clarify them.


Who are you going to trust. A few lines in a book written over 5000 years ago? Or the volumes upon volumes of evidence and research by many thousands of scientists and researchers that continue refining their theories to this day, most of which you have access too and can read. Are they all out to misinform you? Are they all wrong about their observations?

How can you even sit there and question this, when your life is filled with science that you trust your life to. They're right about everything except evolution? Preposterous.