check this out

[ArchAngel]

http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/p...ML/000098.html

buncha load of bs if ya ask me, they say nurf the snipers and no one shot kills, they also say if you get a headshot then it shouldnt kill you...i say if you get hit in the head by a bullet you bet your ass your dead!

[ArchAngel]

oh yea this is over in the PS forums...

[Hamma]

lol Ill have to read that one a bit later

[Lexington_Steele]

No one headshot kills. I wrote this in that thread too. It is too frustrating when you die to a single shot and you had no clue where it came from. I also think that it would make snipers too powerful.

I say take 80-90% health. A second shot that hits the same person almost anywhere would finish them off. If they have already taken any previous damage a head shot would kill them.

As a sniper you will be able to shoot from a very concealed postion at a very long distance and you won't appear on radar. I think that snipers will be very effective, even without one hit kills.

[Arglaar]

Single Shot headshot kills are the point of being a sniper.

Take Soldier of Fortune2 for example... if you shoot someone in the head, it kills them, shoot them anywhere else... it does 50-75% damage.

That is realistic. It takes alot of skill to headshot someone from a distance ... even more if they are moving to avoid being shot.



Here's how you avoid getting killed by a sniper: DON'T STAND STILL.

If you think there could be a sniper in the area, don't let them get a bead on your head.

[Ðio]

I'd accept 80-90% damage. Anything less thought makes the sniper useless.

Don't forget this is a MMO. Yeah you get taken out in one shot, soon afterwards the sniper is spoted and as no chance against your 2 buddies with shotguns.

If it was less the sniper would have to shoot once, run away, shoot, run away,etc. It would be dumb.

The main thing isn't really if a headshot is a kill shot, the main thing is(or at least should be) is a headshot on a moving target hard to get?

I don't mind getting poped if i'm standing still or moving at a predictable speed/patern, i deserve it but if i'm zigzaging and constantly changing speed and whatnot but the new guy still snipes me in the head then yes the sniper is overpowered.

Edit:

Here's how you avoid getting killed by a sniper: DON'T STAND STILL.

What he said.

[Lexington_Steele]

We are not talking about realism here. If we were then the supressor should be 1 head shot kills also. In fact any weapon should be one head shot kills.

If sniper rifles are one head shot kills people will use them in close combat.

If the sniper is dicovered then he is going to be right? Well if any single trooper who is discovered alone they will be dead.

If the sniper is concealed they are going to be very difficult to find. An they will probably be able to rain shot down for a while before they are discovered. Is it so terrible if they should have to hit a soldier with full health and armor twice to kill them?

They will be very effective without one hit kills and I think they will be too powerful if head shot are auto kills.

[Noxx]

Yes, but aren't we forgetting the real question here?
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chukc wood?

[Arglaar]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
Is it so terrible if they should have to hit a soldier with full health and armor twice to kill them?

They will be very effective without one hit kills and I think they will be too powerful if head shot are auto kills.

Think about what you said, in conjunction with what I said up above.


How often do you see people wearing enough armor to stop super-high velocity armor piercing rounds... On their head?

On their body, sure, but not on their head.

In my scenario outlined above, If you shoot someone in the chest, the, yes, it will take 2 shots to kill them.

Otherwise ... if you keep your head out in the open, you're dead.

[Hamma]

IMO there should be no one shot headshot kills in this game. Just simply for the fact of balance, and the distances you have to travel to get into battle.. the armor and helmets you are wearing.. a bunch of factors.

but who knows what will happen

[xuur]

I've done a bit of long range shooting (ok, quite a bit) for real.

a one shot kill I think should remain in the realm of possibility but the difficulty in doing so should be made realistic.

hitting a ballon sized target at any real distance is hard...the more distance, the geometrically more difficult it becomes. hitting anything at range in a crosswind is damn near impossible at times...not to mention a moving target of that size.

yeah, keep the head shot kills in, but make sure its realistic in balance of range to shot difficulty. I think that needs to include bullet travel time, decreased long range effectivness(damage) and leading a target.

I think those factors would add alot to playing a sniper while keeping it from becoming 'uber'

[ArchAngel]

so in other words the rifles wont kill anyone in one shot kills but itll put a hole through your tank and your still okay with it? thats bs i mean think about it, a bullet puts a hole through a tank that has more armor, much more armor then any of our mobile armor suits...therefore the bullet should put a big hole in the guys head IF he gets a headshot, thats right, IF. And whats the point of a sniper if he cant get one shot kills? thats the soul purpose of being a sniper is to harrass patrol groups and get one shot kills.

However i do agree that if the sniper misses the head and gets his torso it should do less damage. Same with hitting the guys leg or arm, it shoudl do less damage then the torso shot and maybe crippling him but that would be a bit dumb...considering if that happend i do that first then get my kill...

[Hamma]

I suppose I will have to read that whole thread

[ArchAngel]

lol its not that long... just a few 500 thousand words

[Ðio]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
If the sniper is dicovered then he is going to be right? Well if any single trooper who is discovered alone they will be dead.

If a NC with a shotgun is seen he has a chance. A dude with bolt driver is dead. It's a TOTALLY different gun. The bolt driver is a sniper rifle, 1 shot only then you reload. Close combat with bolt driver = dead.

Tell you what you get rid of the insane amount of armor on your MAX and i'll get rid of my head shot kills. Doesn't make sense right? That's because MAX are made to be tough, well snipers are made to be lethal.

Anywhoo no matter what the non-snipers say i very much doubt PS will be one of the rare games to not have head shot kills.