Yes I realized I would get sarcastic replies from non-NC, it's all good. BTW, I don't use agile+surge very often, only in towers really. But I still surge in my rexo. Anyway it doesn't matter. My point was that I noticed at point-blank with my JH last night, people weren't taking damage. I unloaded like 6 shots into a guy, he didn't die, but I got gunned down from behind. Oh and I was spared myself by an MCG user at point-blank too. He was spawn camping the tube when I spawned. I just let him empty his entire clip before I ran out. Must have been a bit confusing for him