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Old 2012-05-04, 02:45 PM   [Ignore Me] #491
Figment
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Re: Trayvon Martin


I recognize what you are saying Quovatis, though it's a bit much to call it a default. That does happen yes, even seen it on the football pitch: ref books a player, player says it's because the ref is racist, ref awards another card and sends him off: their team think this is racism confirmed, even if it's simply maintaining order and it's against the rules to insult the referee. A lot don't recognise their own responsibility, but that very much differs by ethnicity and upbringing.

For instance, the Turkish husband of one of the mothers that helps out at the local grammar school was appaled by the behaviour of other Turkish players in football teams and only wants to play with dutch players. Why? Because his Turkish teammembers ALWAYS blamed someone else for their problems: the referee, the pitch, the opponent (Cheats! Racists!), even other teammembers, but never taking any responsibility for their own mistakes or accepting their team as a whole (themselves included) might have made mistakes. The opposite is true for the majority of dutch teams: they look at their own mistakes first, if someone messes up, they tend to know it (not all of course, but certainly not nobody).

Completely different mentality. You saw it with the Turkish airline crash at Schiphol, it was human error, but the Turkish media, airline and government immediately had blamed equipment somewhere must have failed, because Turkish pilots do not fail. When the dutch committee laid blame with the pilots for setting the auto-pilot wrong, the Turks were furious: must have been racism or some plot to make Turkey look bad instead of the aircraft manufacturer!

Similarly, when an Egyptian pilot of Egypt Air made a plane crash to commit suicide, this was considered a taboo: Egyptians don't commit suicide and certainly not while piloting an aircraft. Nor was the airline to blame for not suspending the pilot over prior sexual harassments ("they never occured"). No, blame for the crash must have been with the manufacturer. Apparently.

The sort of thing Quovatis states does happen, but it's a bit cynical to state the definition of racism itself changed. Mostly when false claims on racism are made, it's either pride, paranoia or ignorance.

However, you may recall this event too:


The reasons for that statement then hasn't simply disappeared over night. There was a lot of controversy about the mere notion of a black president coming to power, which often had little to do with the content he stood for. The racist sentiment may have been subdued a bit, as it is not as structural, education has improved and has therefore become far less acceptable, but it's still very much there. :/

The same is true for the opposite racism though. If you look at South Africa, the opposite seems to be occuring, where white people are often discriminated against. That country too has a lot of healing still to be done.

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