Marissa Alexander - Page 3

Baneblade · 2012-05-15, 03:32 PM

Well, blaming the law for Martin's death is a stretch, that incident could have happened anywhere.

Figment · 2012-05-15, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

Well, blaming the law for Martin's death is a stretch, that incident could have happened anywhere.

Unless:

Guns were not allowed to be worn concealed
One would not be allowed to wear a gun at all
Zimmerman did not believe himself to be a vigilante of sorts

In the first case it is questionable whether the Martin confronts Zimmerman scenario would have occured, while in the second case Martin would never have been shot in the first place and what you may have had instead would have been a mere street fight. In the third case, Zimmerman would have called the police and left it at that. Instead, he may well have seen himself as a righteous extension of the law and comforted with the thought he was armed and could use force if needed, instead of a concerned citizen who'd leave it to the police to handle things.

Of course, maybe it's all the fault of fashion consultants that support hoods.

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-05-16, 07:33 AM

In fairness, the law is a product of the culture, and it's the culture that needs fixing. A culture that sees black teenagers as automatic targets for suspicion, or views armed civilian vigilantes in a positive light. A culture that has yet to claw its way out of values born of the late 1800's.

The law is a convenient target to criticize because in doing so, you cut closer to the source of the sickness.

Figment · 2012-05-23, 03:44 PM

After that other vid, found this one as well. Oldie, but goes with the topic.

Red Beard · 2012-05-23, 03:53 PM

If it's indeed true that he was leaving with his back turned to her with the kids beside him, stand your ground logic doesn't apply.

"I was fearing for my life so I shot him in the back"...? I don't think so.

Warborn · 2012-05-23, 05:35 PM

Just goes to show, if you're in the US and you find yourself in an armed confrontation you should always, always kill your opposing number and then simply say he was threatening you so you defended yourself.

More seriously, warning shots are irresponsible as fuck for civilians to be popping off in civilized areas. Her having left the confrontation and returning armed and then shooting wildly with no intent to kill is criminal. Not 20 years criminal, but nonetheless. Deserves restating. She shouldn't have done what she did but it wasn't anything like reasonable giving her 20 years.

Red Beard · 2012-05-23, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

Just goes to show, if you're in the US and you find yourself in an armed confrontation you should always, always kill your opposing number and then simply say he was threatening you so you defended yourself.

More seriously, warning shots are irresponsible as fuck for civilians to be popping off in civilized areas. Her having left the confrontation and returning armed and then shooting wildly with no intent to kill is criminal. Not 20 years criminal, but nonetheless. Deserves restating. She shouldn't have done what she did but it wasn't anything like reasonable giving her 20 years.

Agreed. I suspect if he was in fact heading out the door with the kids; it was more a matter control rage.

excelle · 2012-05-24, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by ItsTheSheppy

A woman has been sentenced in Florida to 20 years in prison for firing a warning shot at her abusive husband.

She attempted to use the Stand Your Ground law to justify the shot, which as far as I can tell hit and hurt nobody. Apparently there were children in the house.

Claiming she feared for her life, she fired a warning shot into the wall. Rejected a plea deal that would have netted her three years of prison time, she has instead been sentenced to 20 years.

Curious how the cops didn't even investigate Trayvon Martin's killing because Zimmerman cited Stand Your Ground, but here a warning shot that kills nobody nets this woman 20 years in jail.

Oh, and she's black. So there's that.

And before you ask, no the system is working just fine. There is no prejudice, the law is perfectly sound and being enforced fairly and evenly, thank you very much.

She is black and living in the south so the stand your ground law doesn't apply to her obviously. In reality, it should apply to her more than Zimmerman. She didn't stalk anyone around a neighborhood and then act surprised when it provokes a fight.

WildGunsTomcat · 2012-05-30, 08:05 AM

Phew.

Now I remember why I took a break from this forum.

Figment · 2012-05-30, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by WildGunsTomcat

Phew.

Now I remember why I took a break from this forum.

You discovered Pr0nTube? =o

WildGunsTomcat · 2012-05-31, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

You discovered Pr0nTube? =o

Nah. Just the circular conversations. Arguing the same shit over and over.

Sheppy, you and Warborn on one side....Malorn, Sobe, and Duke on the other.

Every single day. Day in...day out.

Gets tiring.

Figment · 2012-05-31, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by WildGunsTomcat

Nah. Just the circular conversations. Arguing the same shit over and over.

Sheppy, you and Warborn on one side....Malorn, Sobe, and Duke on the other.

Every single day. Day in...day out.

Gets tiring.

We need fresh sacrifi... I mean bloo... I mean people.

Baneblade · 2012-05-31, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by WildGunsTomcat

Nah. Just the circular conversations. Arguing the same shit over and over.

Sheppy, you and Warborn on one side....Malorn, Sobe, and Duke on the other.

Every single day. Day in...day out.

Gets tiring.

I have a side? Is it photogenic?

Figment · 2012-05-31, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

I have a side? Is it photogenic?

NC I do think. But that's the same side I'm on. :x

I'm confused now! D:

**Malorn** · 2012-05-31, 08:05 PM

Meh.