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Old 2012-09-05, 11:24 AM   [Ignore Me] #16
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Re: The Beginning of the End of the Republican Party?


Originally Posted by Vecha View Post
Two questions, kinda.

A.)Are you shelling out a grand to get him an ID so he can vote?

B.) If didn't have a grand to do so...would you still think it is worth that?


Also, just because you don't have an issue shelling out money for a "cheap" approved ID(remember...some states aren't accepting college IDs) in order to vote...makes it far from right.

A) He needs the id for other stuff...like a fucking job!!...and College.

B) I dont and I dont think it is worth that, but that is how much the lawyer is going to cost to straighten the shit out.
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Old 2012-09-05, 11:34 AM   [Ignore Me] #17
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I still don't quite see why requiring ID is wrong. Money isn't the problem, time isn't the problem. So what is the problem?
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Old 2012-09-05, 11:48 AM   [Ignore Me] #18
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A) He needs the id for other stuff...like a fucking job!!...and College.
The college I went to did not require an ID from me.

They wanted my social. Name. DOB. Etc.

The percentage of college students without photo ID(Except their College ID) is high enough to cause concern.


This may be of interest to some.

http://www4.uwm.edu/eti/2007/VoterID.htm
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Old 2012-09-05, 12:55 PM   [Ignore Me] #19
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It is tragic how peopled died for rights that are being taken away.
You mean tragic that people were filled with so much fear they couldn't make rational decisions? You can't appeal to emotions or some McCarthyism level fear tactics. "You can't do that because it's communist" doesn't hold water nowadays and most rational people see right through that.

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I still don't quite see why requiring ID is wrong. Money isn't the problem, time isn't the problem. So what is the problem?
Actually a national ID for voting is perfectly fine. The issue you'll find is when states try to do it and purposely implement catch 22 rules. Read this or any of the other cases recently regarding it.

I personally have been for a national ID system at the federal level for a long time. Currently we use a SSN which has been abused drastically for things it shouldn't be used for. The idea that you have to hide a number for security reasons in the modern age is preposterous. Implementing a real national ID though would cost a lot of money, but would be invaluable. Kind of wish I could be part of the group that designs it.
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Old 2012-09-05, 01:01 PM   [Ignore Me] #20
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I personally have been for a national ID system at the federal level for a long time. Currently we use a SSN which has been abused drastically for things it shouldn't be used for. The idea that you have to hide a number for security reasons in the modern age is preposterous. Implementing a real national ID though would cost a lot of money, but would be invaluable. Kind of wish I could be part of the group that designs it.
It's alread been designed and implemented today.

If you know anybody that works in the Government, they have a CAC card...or smartcard.

You could easily make that into an actual ID. More over...you can make it a single purpose all level access kind of ID. Scan it to vote. Cop scans it for drivers license ID. EMT could scan it to get messages of Allergies or current medications as was put on there when you went to the doctor and pharmacy.

The biggest opposition to it....666.
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Old 2012-09-05, 02:13 PM   [Ignore Me] #21
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DJ Eclipse, conspiring against communism since 19... 45?

Do you really think IDs are communist? Really? I mean, really? You think passes that prove your identity have not existed for eons till those darn commies invented them?

You need to check your conspiracy database or simply upgrade to version 2.0.12...
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Old 2012-09-05, 02:20 PM   [Ignore Me] #22
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If IDs are communist, than the eagle is nazism.
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Old 2012-09-05, 04:50 PM   [Ignore Me] #23
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Figment you have zero life experience with Cold War, all you can do is Google it.
And you do?
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Old 2012-09-05, 07:19 PM   [Ignore Me] #24
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Voter ID laws are just ineffective and almost certainly are intended to suppress democrat voters. The only way voter impersonation could influence elections is by having a large group of hundreds to thousands of people coordinating themselves and then you're going into nutty conspiracy territory.

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Old 2012-09-05, 08:43 PM   [Ignore Me] #25
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Plenty.
Qualify yourself then.
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Old 2012-09-05, 08:45 PM   [Ignore Me] #26
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Qualify yourself then.
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Old 2012-09-05, 09:42 PM   [Ignore Me] #27
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Originally Posted by DjEclipse View Post
To you? You was born in 1983. You are as clueless about the
Cold War as Figment. All you 2 can do is Google the Cold War.

Life experience > Google for brains.
You do realise that Americans have always been considered to have gone absolutely over the top bonkers when they hear the word 'communist', right?

Which is why Reps have deliberately been calling anything they didn't like "communist", even if it has nothing to do with it. They knew it would rally the mobs (particularly the religious right) against whatever and whoever was insinuated to be "communist".

Sorry Eclipse, but you're talking out of your arse. Napoleon introduced last names to the world as well as ID cards.

You calling Emperor Napoleon a communist?
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Old 2012-09-05, 11:19 PM   [Ignore Me] #28
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Originally Posted by DjEclipse View Post
To you? You was born in 1983. You are as clueless about the
Cold War as Figment. All you 2 can do is Google the Cold War.

Life experience > Google for brains.
Until this thread I have never had any reason to think you were anything other than an angst filled teenager.

So yes, qualify yourself. Not that I will believe you, but humor me anyway.
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Old 2012-09-05, 11:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #29
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Re: The Beginning of the End of the Republican Party?


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Voter ID laws are just ineffective and almost certainly are intended to suppress democrat voters. The only way voter impersonation could influence elections is by having a large group of hundreds to thousands of people coordinating themselves and then you're going into nutty conspiracy territory.
Agreed.

My big thing...in addition to the fact that there is not widespread voting fraud...is the unfair state decisions of which IDs are acceptable...and the fact there are fees to get the IDs that are acceptable.
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Old 2012-09-06, 04:40 AM   [Ignore Me] #30
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Agreed.

My big thing...in addition to the fact that there is not widespread voting fraud...is the unfair state decisions of which IDs are acceptable...and the fact there are fees to get the IDs that are acceptable.
IDs here (pass port) cost 40 Euro or less.

Driver's license costs around 200 euro (primarily due to cost of examinator, driving instructor already costs around 3000 to 6000 euro depending on the amount of lessons you need, typically 30-45 euros per hour).

If it's a Federal election, then I'd say any pass the federal government recognises, not? State's should have nothing to say over that.
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