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View Poll Results: So, after readin the post, do you like my 'belief' on what would be a good 'balance'?
I've read the post & mostly Agree with the statements 21 53.85%
I've read the post, but dont really agree 10 25.64%
I've read the post, but not sure on where to stand 8 20.51%
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Old 2003-01-18, 06:37 PM   [Ignore Me] #31
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Dio

They make the game fun for the majority. You really think it's fun for the other guys (non snipers and yes there will be more non snipers than snipers) to just die due to 1 shot because snipers are able to kill all non MAX's whit a shot or 2....

It's pretty simple 100 happy jon does > 10 happy snipers when it comes to making cash...

edited due to horrible spelling.... bleh it's 1 AM here gimme a break hehe.

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Old 2003-01-18, 06:45 PM   [Ignore Me] #32
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That makes so much sense it actually hurts.
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Old 2003-01-18, 06:51 PM   [Ignore Me] #33
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Sorry, guess i'm the only good loser here.

Serioulsly i could care less if it takes 1 shot to kill me, if that shot was hard to get and the guy earned all the better for him. I mean where is the fun in a game where you can sit there and laugh at the sniper because it takes him 3 heashots to take you out which he never gets because he get to him first and blow his ass up. As i said before sniping should be about the difficulty of the shot, not about how powerful it is.(oh and also as said before snipers should be light armor only )

That said i'm shutting up now(well unless poked at ), i'm tired of these endless (and pointless) sniper debates.
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Old 2003-01-18, 06:54 PM   [Ignore Me] #34
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BTW, Dio I was serious. Heh, it actually hurt it made so much sense. It really did. I wasn't joking! I was agreeing with you this entire thread!ARGH..
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Old 2003-01-18, 06:56 PM   [Ignore Me] #35
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Where the fun is...

hmm, this isn't grunt versus sniper... a buttload of things here to do other than beeing sniped at =P

But i personally don't mind getting 1 shot killed in standard issue armor or whit a headshot to a agile armor, should be some reason to play a sniper afterall aslong as the reason to play a sniper outweights the rest =)
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Old 2003-01-18, 07:00 PM   [Ignore Me] #36
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cert page:

http://www.planetside-universe.com/c...p?p=sdCertInfo
 
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Old 2003-01-18, 07:01 PM   [Ignore Me] #37
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Heh, we don't knwo the cert tree. We know certain things require other things. That's just a listing of certs.
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Old 2003-01-18, 07:38 PM   [Ignore Me] #38
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i meant to post the cert page sooner, but noticed the 1 post/20 sec delay late =p


Dio & Lexington are correct, Important thing is for EVERYONE to have fun... so.. in this world that will be planetside...


The Vast majority of Players that are NOT enclosed in a vehicle are going to be in at LEAST Reinforced armor(or Heavy armor, as I call it because of the fact it's the heaviest armor that allows use of any weapons still--MAX's are more like "vehicles" then armors... it's not just "Armor", it's an Armor/Weapon platform !!!).. anyway....

Reinforced armor will be the "Standard" most likely, but there Will be some agile units... All these, Currently, reportedly by devs, require 2 or 3 shots to kill(2 agile, 3 reinf).. now, considering the assumtion the reload time is a minimum of 5 seconds, that's fairly reasonable when you take into account the cone of fire & chance of missing...

Standard Issue Armor will be worn by NON-COMBATANTS, what i mean by that is that someone in Light(standard) issue armor wont likely carry a gauss and actively seek otu combat on the front line!... Ok.. so these people are likely to be hackers, pilots, etc., people that dont expect to need much armor, and would rather do something else with cert points then 'buy' heavy armor...

I.S. armor, well.. this armor is 'lighter' then standard i think, but it's defense is not being easy to see.. so not really threatened by snipers as much...


Ok.. so... the PS dev team is currently doing a good job on balance, by that i mean, snipers are still somewhat useful, but DEFINATLY dont need to be nerfed...

People who are ON THE BATTLEFIELD cant be 1-shot killed...

The window washer/Janitor.. CAN be 1-shot killed... This is basicly expected, a dude in agile armor unloads a single burst from a rifle into them they get blown away, why shouldnt a sniper 1-shot kill them?


thats all for now, ty for listening
 
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Old 2003-01-18, 08:27 PM   [Ignore Me] #39
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as for cs awp:

Only n00bs and whinny pubbers compline about the AWP being overpowered, in CAL, a good awper is both feared and respected for his skill (yes, skill) in cs there are serveral guns that can kill with one shot to the head, regardless if they have a helment or not, the AWP is only gun (besides, VERY close m3/xm) that cna kill to the body. A good awper can shorten the 'reload' time to .5 sec but weapon switching, but they still need to be able to hit there shots and dodge at the same time, with the awp u cant be moving to be accurate.

In cs sniping is balanced, but planet side is a different game, with different spawning, more verity ect. Depending on how accurate the bolt driver is, standard and agile should fall with 1 headshot.
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Old 2003-01-18, 08:39 PM   [Ignore Me] #40
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Again, there are no headshots.
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Old 2003-01-18, 08:49 PM   [Ignore Me] #41
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It seems like the whole problem of this could be solved by completely removing the "sniper rifle" designation of bolt. Just making it a long ranged gun with a zoom would make much more sense IMHO... just my 2 planetary credits? i dunno
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Old 2003-01-18, 08:51 PM   [Ignore Me] #42
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That would help. It's not a rifle. It's a rail gun, isn't it?
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Old 2003-01-18, 10:02 PM   [Ignore Me] #43
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First off, CS may want to be realistic, but it is not. If you want a realistic shoot play something like rogue spear/raven sheild or SWAT3. Secondly, one shot one kill is not a great deal of fun especially if there is no way to counter detect the sniper. Headshots will not be that difficult to acheive since nobody can move extremely fast (ala tribes) and since I can't imagine it will take many certs to get a sniper rifle, if you allow it one shot one kill on any armore I think you'll see a farily large number of snipers. My .02
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Old 2003-01-19, 12:26 AM   [Ignore Me] #44
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The armor is mostlikly some kind of composite ceramics, and btw, as i said along time ago, they have sniper rifles now that shot though a tank, yes a tank, as in sevral inchs of steel, and kill the people inside.


Depleted Uranium rounds in the bolt driver to kill people in MAX's.

the AWP is actually a AWM, or artic warfare magnum.
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Old 2003-01-19, 12:52 AM   [Ignore Me] #45
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... a good awper is both feared and respected for his skill (yes, skill)...
No, he's feared for his weapon. Any monkey can point and shoot and kill someone if it nicks their toe. AWP users, which you obviously are, like to glorify themselves and preach their skill, but they're really not skilled at all. "A good AWP'er can shorten the reload time to .5 seconds", you said. Oh, a good one? Wow, there I was thinking that it was actually "anyone who knows where the Last Weapon key is bound to on their keyboard". Silly me. I guess I'm not l33t enough to understand the tremendously difficult weapon like the AWP.

The AWP, by the way, is the Sniper Syndrome epitomized. These l33t wannabes covet the most powerful weapon in the game, which is of course a sniper rifle, proclaim that the weapon is totally balanced, and then retort with "Well you're just not a skilled player -- you should have been able to predict where my bullet was going to go and moved out of the way while instantly knowing where I was shooting from and getting me with a headshot!" evertime someone says that they're cheap for using such a horridly overpowered weapon. It's the reason there'll always be a sniper debate as long as sniper weapons are overpowered like the AWP. These people are just so busy jerking off their ego with these guns that they are totally convinced can only be used by the absolute best players in the game. And it's actually the infatuation that the above poster and those like him have with the weapon that prevents it from being removed from the game. It'd be like EverQuest all of a sudden switching from a PvE oriented game to a PvP one. Once people get their ego-trip I.V., they don't want it removed.
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