"What are your top balance concerns?" - Page 4

torokf · 2013-10-24, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by mrmrmrj

Let Lightnings use MBT/Harasser secondaries as their main guns.

DAMN you got me Excited there, Now I want my C85 Enforcer modified Lightning

KesTro · 2013-10-24, 04:28 AM

I've got a fully certed out harasser and I got to say I wouldn't mind if we could get one shot by an AP tank, perhaps two shot by a prowler? OR at least leave us close to becoming a smoldering hunk of junk if we had high enough composite. There's a theme I've noticed with what people say is OP and that's maneuverability. Reverse Maneuver, ZOE speed, Harassers speed. These things on top of what else they bring really do create a pretty big power creep the more their platforms get certed out. Just throwing another thought out there.

Obstruction · 2013-10-24, 06:16 AM

no offense to anyone in particular but i see a lot of scissors crying about rock.

i don't see harasser as OP, as i have no trouble taking out harassers from the air with impunity.

also, as air we have our own direct counters. it may suck when we get swarmed by lock ons or ESFs but that's just the game. i try not to complain about it, we just suck it up and get back in the fight.

just because something counters something else in 1 v 1, or slaughters disorganized infantry, doesn't mean it's inherently OP. it's a combined arms game, and meant to be played with team oriented tactics at the forefront.

i understand and appreciate most, if not all of the concerns listed here. still, i think it's important to remind everyone invested in the discussion that the game has never been and probably should not be balanced for lone wolf play.

this is especially true for MBT vs harasser. MBT is just weak outside of a heavily supported position, while a lot of players seem to expect every unit to perform equally on it's own.

KesTro · 2013-10-24, 09:35 AM

Perhaps. All I'm saying is when four vulcan harassers can take out six fully crewed MBT's. There may be a problem hah.

ringring · 2013-10-24, 01:20 PM

The balance between attack versus defence.

typhaon · 2013-10-24, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by KesTro

I've got a fully certed out harasser and I got to say I wouldn't mind if we could get one shot by an AP tank, perhaps two shot by a prowler? OR at least leave us close to becoming a smoldering hunk of junk if we had high enough composite. There's a theme I've noticed with what people say is OP and that's maneuverability. Reverse Maneuver, ZOE speed, Harassers speed. These things on top of what else they bring really do create a pretty big power creep the more their platforms get certed out. Just throwing another thought out there.

Across the board - in terms of combat effectiveness - I think that's one of the elements SOE has significantly underestimated.

typhaon · 2013-10-24, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Obstruction

no offense to anyone in particular but i see a lot of scissors crying about rock.

i don't see harasser as OP, as i have no trouble taking out harassers from the air with impunity.

also, as air we have our own direct counters. it may suck when we get swarmed by lock ons or ESFs but that's just the game. i try not to complain about it, we just suck it up and get back in the fight.

just because something counters something else in 1 v 1, or slaughters disorganized infantry, doesn't mean it's inherently OP. it's a combined arms game, and meant to be played with team oriented tactics at the forefront.

i understand and appreciate most, if not all of the concerns listed here. still, i think it's important to remind everyone invested in the discussion that the game has never been and probably should not be balanced for lone wolf play.

this is especially true for MBT vs harasser. MBT is just weak outside of a heavily supported position, while a lot of players seem to expect every unit to perform equally on it's own.

Care to enlighten us as to what faction you play and your character name?

Mastachief · 2013-10-25, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by camycamera

i agree. the striker is not balanced when compared to all other lock on launchers, it was nerfed quite a bit, and makes it more skill-based. giving all lockons this will nerf them and make them more skill based.

Baahaaaaahaaaaa

Man the striker is still easy mode and still doesn't require you to maintain lock (i was using it last night) Took 2 scythes down whilst reloading watch my missiles still tracking and then killing their targets.

All lockons need a range and damage nerf Bring it back to 300m and 20% reduction in damage increase the projectile speed a little. ESF's need a lolpod splash nerf (near 0 splash), bring all lolpods inline with the TR's in the way they work and remove thermal/NV from the lolpods. (pull the pheonix damage down a little and give the lancer damage deg, and reduce the range and power of the AV turret.)

This way armour will be a little better than the paper it currently feels like but without buffing their damage output.

ESF will still be able to hit armour and infantry provided they can aim.

ESF won't die so easily to strikers/lockons that blot out the sun. Opening the skys up to dogfights.

MGP · 2013-10-25, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mastachief

Baahaaaaahaaaaa

Man the striker is still easy mode and still doesn't require you to maintain lock (i was using it last night)

Stop spreading your pathetic lies. I doubt you even got a TR toon.

ChipMHazard · 2013-10-25, 09:19 AM

You are free to disagree with someone elses opinion but don't make it personal. Personal disputes are best kept to PMs.

Mastachief · 2013-10-25, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

Stop spreading your pathetic lies. I doubt you even got a TR toon.

You have a real hard on for me don't you? I don't swing your way... sorry.

GeoGnome · 2013-10-25, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mastachief

You have a real hard on for me don't you? I don't swing your way... sorry.

Originally Posted by MGP

Stop spreading your pathetic lies. I doubt you even got a TR toon.

Would you two kiss already? The internet can barely contain the fiery passion you both possess for each other.

isilyan · 2013-10-25, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by GeoGnome

Would you two kiss already? The internet can barely contain the fiery passion you both possess for each other.

MGP · 2013-10-25, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Mastachief

You have a real hard on for me don't you? I don't swing your way... sorry.

Next time you decide to lie, find something that is not so easily refuted.

(sorry for the crappy quality. First time uploading something.)

Vs Harasser:

Vs Liberator:

Vs Scythe:

Notice how rocket looses the lock immediately as i unzoom.

Mastachief · 2013-10-25, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

Next time you decide to lie, find something that is not so easily refuted.

(sorry for the crappy quality. First time uploading something.)

Vs Harasser:
STFU #1 - YouTube

Vs Liberator:
STFU #2 - YouTube

Vs Scythe:
STFU #3 - YouTube

Notice how rocket looses the lock immediately as i unzoom. Now, Mastachief, please find yourself a nice big hole to hide your shame in. You're pathetic.

No thanks my missiles don't have issues following and hitting. Looks like a learn to play issue to me.