2002 going on 1984 - Page 3

MrVicchio · 2002-12-29, 12:54 PM

Ha, Didn't London just see a huge rise in crime after they banned practically all guns over there.. I remember reading that in about 12 different places....

The Gerogia twons, I BELIVE I read that off of the 7 myths of gun control book/site or a related one, then checked it out from some other sources...

GUNS aren't just made to hurt maim and kill my friend, I love to target shoot. Perfectly legal, nice non-hurting way to enjoy ones self. I also love to hunt.....

People are killid more often by cars then by guns, should we outlaw cars too?

Two of my favorite Pro-gun lines are :

"An armed society is a polite society"

"When guns are made illegal, only the criminals have guns...."

Hamma · 2002-12-29, 01:47 PM

Charlton Heston for President!1

Navaron · 2002-12-29, 03:39 PM

"Do the words explosive decompresion mean anything to anyone here."

No. Does the word oxymoron mean anything to you?

A firearm in the cockpit could unload an entire clip into the side of a plane, along the rivets and a damn thing wouldn't happen. The plane would not decompress, people would not be sucked out. That's a joke. Why wouldn't terrorist just bring hatchets with them and cut a hole in the skin? Why bother blowing the plane up mid air.

What about bird strikes, there are multiple accounts of planes hitting geese at full takeoff power, and the geese entering and exiting parts of the plane. A goose is a shit ton bigger than the bullet.

Also, if you you fired at a highjacker 4 feet awa from you, then you are blind if you miss. Besides, pilots have good vision.

Also, heres a worst case scenario -

Highjacker enters the cockpit and takes the gun and kills the pilots, flies plane to destination X. Alternative, Highjacker enters cockpit kills pilots with object z and then flies plane to destination x. Same difference, except at least the pilots have a decisive factor.

SandTrout · 2002-12-29, 05:56 PM

"Explosive decompresion" is a bunch of bullshit(pardon my french) made up by Hollywood. There are accutaly systems on a plane that let in and out air to maintain cabin pressure constantly, and can compensate for a bullet hole(even from a .50 cal). Armed pilots would deter hijacking atempts and would be the last line of defence against terrorists

I'm from Texas and I'm afaid of Chicago and LA. Why? Because they have some of the strictest gun control measures in the country, and also some of the highest crime rates. But look at Texas, we have the most relaxed gun control laws in the country, yet one of the lowest crime rates per-capita(Im not 100% on the crime rate in TX, but I'm pretty damn sure its lower than Chicago and LA).

Yes, sometimes kids play with guns and have accidents, but kids also play with fireworks and power tools and have accidents. They also get hit by cars.

My Dad bough a 12 gauge shotgun and .22 rifle when I was 11 and put them in a gun safe. The next day he took them out, and showed them to me, my brother, and my sister. They were unloaded of course, but he taught us to respect a gun, no matter what calibre it is, and even if its unloaded(in case it is loaded and you didnt know). He then took us out to a fireing range to shoot them. I've never touched them outside of the range, except when I was cleaning them at home.

The moral is, if you don't want to have your kids messing with your guns, teach them how to use them properly and carefuly. I will get a handgun when I am old enough(and if they're still leagal), but I hope I never have to use it. If I have kids, I'll take them to the shooting range so they learn to respect it.

Navaron · 2002-12-29, 05:59 PM

Thanks for the backup on the gun thing, but wtf is "accutaly systems". I do this stuff every day and I've never heard of that.

Warborn · 2002-12-29, 06:24 PM

The problem with gun accidents isn't the gun. It's the person having the accident. If the gun were out of the picture, they'd find something else to hurt themself on.

As for guns in planes, I believe pilots should be allowed to have them. Honestly, why the hell not? If there's a tangible risk of the pilot encountering hijackers, they should be equipped with some realistic way to defend themselves. You don't ask your policemen or soldiers to do their job without being properly armed, so you should expect that of pilots.

mistled · 2002-12-29, 06:49 PM

Uh oh... warborn and nav are agreeing on something.

Navaron · 2002-12-29, 08:04 PM

Should we mark that on a calander somewhere???

Incompetent · 2002-12-29, 08:09 PM

Planes will blow up if the windows are the wrong shape, and last i looked a bullet was slightly more lethal then a rectangle.

Why wouldn't terrorist just bring hatchets with them and cut a hole in the skin? Why bother blowing the plane up mid air.

because hatchets are big

What about bird strikes, there are multiple accounts of planes hitting geese at full takeoff power, and the geese entering and exiting parts of the plane. A goose is a shit ton bigger than the bullet.

A sparrow took down a fighter at an air show once. A goose was not designed to kill people.

mistled · 2002-12-29, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Incompetent
A goose was not designed to kill people.

And a handgun is not designed to crash planes. What's your point??

Navaron · 2002-12-29, 08:17 PM

"and last i looked a bullet was slightly more lethal then a rectangle. "

HUH?

The windows they put in planes are the right shape, thats not a real problem.

I'm gonna have to see some proof that a sparrow took down a fighter. I don't believe that for a second. That jet would have never be type certified.

"A goose was not designed to kill people." HUH?

OK I'll give you the hatchet thing, how about pocket knives. Planes don't go down easy simple as that. Even if the cabin depressurizes it's no big deal. You CAN breathe at that altitude. I'm not sure where you going, I just don't follow you, could you clarify.

Incompetent · 2002-12-29, 08:23 PM

A bullet is designed to cause damage

mistled · 2002-12-29, 08:25 PM

Not to a passenger jet, it's not.

Flashingfish · 2002-12-29, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by MrVicchio
Ha, Didn't London just see a huge rise in crime after they banned practically all guns over there.. I remember reading that in about 12 different places....

Ok I suppose I can't argue with that =]

GUNS aren't just made to hurt maim and kill my friend, I love to target shoot. Perfectly legal, nice non-hurting way to enjoy ones self. I also love to hunt.....

Hunting is still killing.... and target shooting is mimicking shooting living things, seeing as that's their primary purpose.

People are killid more often by cars then by guns, should we outlaw cars too?

Like I said before, cars aren't designed to kill, so no.

And this is going to go on forever....

Navaron · 2002-12-29, 08:37 PM

"and target shooting is mimicking shooting living things, seeing as that's their primary purpose"

Why cant you shoot dead things?