So the most interesting thing about Empire showdown - Page 3

Ghoest9 · 2013-01-27, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rothnang

I have no problem with her wanting to be a sex symbol, she can do that if she wants to. I have no problem with people flirting with her or commenting on her body either if she enjoys that.

What I didn't like is that SOE hired her to do all that at an event as if that is a natural part of the culture of Planetside 2. Like it's somehow gone from "Combat on an epic scale" to "Combat on an epic scale, and tits".

Maybe you arent familiar with the marketing and side dressing for the majority of sports that are popular with men.
Football, Basketball, Hockey, Auto racing, Motorcycle racing - they all have atractive women paid to stand around looking happy and pretty.
Sex sell sports - its a fact deal with it.
SOE doesnt run this game to promote gender idealism - its runs the game to make money.

Riekopo · 2013-01-27, 11:45 PM

All I was thinking when she was onscreen was, did SOE hire a hooker? Poor LevelCap was so uncomfortable like he was being molested lol. All of her interactions with the players was really awkward and weird. It was all very juvenile. It didn't project a good image for the community or SOE imo.

Lonehunter · 2013-01-28, 12:28 AM

I just want to point out there was an article published recently that commented on the diversity at SOE for game developers, and how big of a break through it's becoming, and really showing at SOE.

Adrianne is a model.... and has several nude tweets... she was hired for a certain reason....

Rothnang · 2013-01-28, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

SOE doesnt run this game to promote gender idealism - its runs the game to make money.

And they are absolutely sure that treating their entire playerbase like drooling 15 year olds makes them the most money?

This kind of sideshow sleaze is exactly what keeps gaming looking like a seedy subculture that can't be taken seriously.

BlaxicanX · 2013-01-28, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by Rothnang

What's all this idiotic talk about women being "accepted" in the gaming community. If a woman buys a game and plays it she's part of the gaming community. If some guy thinks that gives him cause to be an ass to her then that's just him being a pitiful douchebag.

Nobody gets to arbitrate who is or isn't welcome in the gaming community, people only get to decide whether or not they want to make an ass of themselves.

You obviously don't know what the definition of a "community" is, either that or you don't understand what the definition of "accepted" is.

A "community" is a group of people related by distance or an specific interest. It is a known and established fact that the online gaming environment is much more hostile to women on average than it is to men, especially on a competitive level.

Originally Posted by Rothnang

And they are absolutely sure that treating their entire playerbase like drooling 15 year olds makes them the most money?

This kind of sideshow sleaze is exactly what keeps gaming looking like a seedy subculture that can't be taken seriously.

Yes, because football and every other "grown man" sport doesn't have things like, say, cheerleaders, who are nothing more than women who get paid to stand around in skimpy mini-skirts and pumps.

I really don't think your anger has anything to do with this girl at the event; rather, it seems to be derived from some general beef with SOE.

Rothnang · 2013-01-28, 03:04 AM

Funny how there doesn't seem to be any kind of regulatory body that oversees who is and isn't in the gaming community, except for a bunch of halfwits who think they can do just that.

If the more competitive elements of the community are the worst offenders when it comes to sexism and being a bunch of entitled douchebags that's just the more reason why this whole eSports thing is not a positive force in gaming, but just tries to elevate scum to a level it doesn't deserve.

BlaxicanX · 2013-01-28, 03:23 AM

Community doesn't mean what you think it means.

Except for the fact that women being able to actually show their skills in video games, which is only possible through youtube and, you guessed it, the competitive scene, is the driving force behind why more and more people are starting to take the "girl-gamer" concept seriously, and not see gaming as a "male hobby".

Rothnang · 2013-01-28, 03:38 AM

Yeaaa, sorry, I don't at all see this weird world you live in where "gamer girls" are having to work hard to prove themselves to be allowed into the "gaming community".

As far as I'm concerned nobody has to earn acceptance, everyone is welcome, nobody has to prove a damn thing. People who think differently are assholes, and saying "Oh, but we finally started respecting some people after they ran our gauntlet of abuse and bigotry" is not a show of benevolence, it just shows how kackheaded some people really are to congratulate themselves for letting people in where the truly tolerant never perceived any walls in the first place.

BlaxicanX · 2013-01-28, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by Rothnang

Yeaaa, sorry, I don't at all see this weird world you live in where "gamer girls" are having to work hard to prove themselves to be allowed into the "gaming community".

As far as I'm concerned nobody has to earn acceptance, everyone is welcome, nobody has to prove a damn thing. People who think differently are assholes, and saying "Oh, but we finally started respecting some people after they ran our gauntlet of abuse and bigotry" is not a show of benevolence, it just shows how kackheaded some people really are to congratulate themselves for letting people in where the truly tolerant never perceived any walls in the first place.

Good for you, I wish I lived in your alternate reality.

Tell all this stuff to Jackie Robinson or Mohammed Ali. "Discrimination doesn't exist guys, it's all in your mind".

Rothnang · 2013-01-28, 03:53 AM

Discrimination does exist, but fuck anyone who thinks discrimination is defeated when people bust through the walls. It's defeated when people stop putting the walls up.

BlaxicanX · 2013-01-28, 04:00 AM

And how do you think people stop putting walls up? Like, did you think America just collectively woke up one day and said "man, I guess black people are okay at baseball?"

Discrimination is the result of ignorance, and believing in stereotypes. Ignorance is dispelled by breaking stereotypes.

As long as there is a stereotype that says that women suck at video games, and gaming is for men, that discrimination will exist. By showing women who are good at video games, you show that stereotype to not be true. Breaking the stereotype dispels the discrimination. People didn't "stop putting walls up" regarding african-americans in boxing until people like Jack Johnson and Mohammed Ali started kicking ass in boxing.

PredatorFour · 2013-01-28, 04:06 AM

A load of nerd rage over some fit bird at the event .....

I have now seen it all.

Rasui · 2013-01-28, 04:42 AM

Damn, MaxDamage in this thread with the real talk.

*highfive*

Babyfark McGeez · 2013-01-28, 05:48 AM

Aslong as our fearless leader TotalBreakfast keeps his clothes on nobody will get hurt.

As far as stereotypes go, the video-game industry has allways been extraordinary well in embarrassing itself and its customers.

Like...here:

OpolE · 2013-01-28, 06:52 AM

ToOOOo Much rage guys, just have a wank.

It was allright, she did seem a bit awkward bouncing on the chair of the VS guy, but I swear I watched a pron last night and he was in it? Maybee she was like that with him because he's into the porn scene i dno