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Old 2012-09-07, 11:55 AM   [Ignore Me] #46
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Re: The Beginning of the End of the Republican Party?


Originally Posted by Mutant View Post
So you going to vote yellow in November?
If I'm eligible to vote (just moved to a different state), I'm voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
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Old 2012-09-07, 12:19 PM   [Ignore Me] #47
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Originally Posted by Baneblade View Post
If I'm eligible to vote (just moved to a different state), I'm voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
It'd be nice if RP or GJ could win...would be really refreshing.

Though...I'd rather see Gary in there.
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Old 2012-09-07, 12:26 PM   [Ignore Me] #48
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That is supposition...with no facts that have anything to do with voter fraud, except to be included in the broad category of "crime."

I posted statistics that did have to do with voter fraud(The % of those without the correct form of ID).

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/09/idtheft.shtm

Anyone who has their identity stolen, could be a potential for a stolen vote as well.
much as what is stated with healthcare and being preventitive instead of reactive...this would prevent and why should we wait for it to become a large issue.

I still think we probalby have alot of illegals voting in the US but our government quite literally does everything it can to turn a blind eye to illegal alien problems.
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Old 2012-09-07, 12:44 PM   [Ignore Me] #49
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http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/09/idtheft.shtm

Anyone who has their identity stolen, could be a potential for a stolen vote as well.
much as what is stated with healthcare and being preventitive instead of reactive...this would prevent and why should we wait for it to become a large issue.

I still think we probalby have alot of illegals voting in the US but our government quite literally does everything it can to turn a blind eye to illegal alien problems.
Yeah. That wouldn't surprise me.

There needs to be more federal involvement in my eyes.

The SSN is nowhere near enough.

Every state doing their own thing(such as accepting hunting license vs. college ids) is not the answer.

I honestly can't say for sure that National ID would solve the issue.

I can say that I doubt the voter ID laws will stop illegal voting...but it will stop honest citizens from voting(Willing to bet it'll affect just as many republicans as democrats...like the elderly who tend to be a bit more conservative.)
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Old 2012-09-07, 01:44 PM   [Ignore Me] #50
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Re: The Beginning of the End of the Republican Party?


Originally Posted by Vecha View Post
It'd be nice if RP or GJ could win...would be really refreshing.

Though...I'd rather see Gary in there.
All RP votes are going to GJ anyway. So either one is a vote for Gary.
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Old 2012-09-07, 04:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #51
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All RP votes are going to GJ anyway. So either one is a vote for Gary.
They are?

Even though he was a Rep candidate?

I guess that's good...I can't see them getting anywhere near enough votes though.
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Old 2012-09-07, 04:44 PM   [Ignore Me] #52
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No, because Ron Paul will give them to Gary. He might take as much as 20% of the vote... there are a lot of pissed off people who will be voting.

Still not a win, but enough to grab attention.
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Old 2012-09-07, 05:52 PM   [Ignore Me] #53
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Originally Posted by Vecha View Post
I can say that I doubt the voter ID laws will stop illegal voting...but it will stop honest citizens from voting(Willing to bet it'll affect just as many republicans as democrats...like the elderly who tend to be a bit more conservative.)
I agree....it will effect the very old and very young...which are generally speaking at opposite ends of the political spectrum.
There's a saying...

If you arent liberal when you are 20, you have no heart.
If you arent conservative when you are 40, you have no brains.

So far as the Tn law is concerned, it was passed last year, this is the first year it went into effect. Most laws in Tn at least, when passed by the legislature, dont take effect til the following January 1 or July 1. Pretty sure this one went into effect on Jan 1, but it was widely covered in the news here in TN all last year.
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Old 2012-09-11, 03:02 AM   [Ignore Me] #54
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No, because Ron Paul will give them to Gary. He might take as much as 20% of the vote... there are a lot of pissed off people who will be voting.

Still not a win, but enough to grab attention.
Seems to me Gary is the only vote worth making for a true libertarian come November, would love to see him break the 15% for the debates.


I'm not so sure Ron will fully pass on to GJ though even if his supporters see it like that, Nepotism may be too hard to resist.
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Old 2012-09-11, 06:28 AM   [Ignore Me] #55
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Ron is retiring for politics entirely. He fought the good fight and made a bigger dent than most believed he could.
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Old 2012-10-06, 05:11 AM   [Ignore Me] #56
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I wont deny we have many different issues with the voter sysetm. voter fraud is one of them. We have the federal govenment trying to stop the voter registry from being purged of non-citizens and dead people.....why? becauase it's racist? ....

It's not a big deal to show up with a valid ID. IF you somehow dont have one, you can get one for free if not very cheap. I dont have an issue with it, my son who is not able to get a valid id right now due to his biological father messing shit up, so its gonna take a grand to get his valid id. We both still think having one is required for voting. Living in Tn.
You are aware that there has been 116 cases of voter fraud in more than 3 billion votes in more than a decade.

The only 'voter fraud' you should look into is voter suppression which you are helping out right now with this post of yours. Now you may be a young or middle aged male. Possibly white. Possibly protestant. Maybe atheist. Does't really matter but being young and having your life somewhat in check. That means having an up to date drivers license with your current address.

I am positive you are a responsible citizen that has achieved at least this level of citizens preparedness.

Only problem is that when you are poor, or elderly or the poor which end up being the demographic of the elderly, veterans and minorities.

These people (elderly) have voted their whole lives without the need to show an up to date current ID. Many of them do not drive. For some it is near impossible to get all their paperwork together. Next step is going to a government facility to get their information up to date. That requires transportation. Which may not be easy for many low income or elderly citizens.

I was not aware that there is a high percentage of citizens without this type of information. Especially when these Voter ID laws were put in place right in the middle of an election.

Now if you really care about this issue and not simply spilling out your surface views without getting into the meat of it. Because when you get into the meat of it and you research why Voter ID is worse than any imaginary voter fraud that Republicans come up with.

It has been reported, for instance, that about 750,000 Pennsylvanians, or about 9 percent of the state’s registered voter pool, do not have a ID issued by the state’s Department of Transportation. The 750,000-voter figure, however, includes some cases where there are database-matching problems: for instance, a woman is listed by her married surname in one database and her maiden surname in another may be included on that list, even though she should have few problems voting. It includes some cases of voters whose registrations are inactive. And it includes voters who will have some valid form of ID other than that issued by the Department of Transportation, like a passport, which would still make them eligible to vote. Based on the experiences of other states, it is more likely that these laws will prevent something like 2 or 3 percent of registered voters from actually casting a ballot, rather than 9 percent.

Yes this affects White, Protestant, Republicans also.

If you are a Republican or your parents and friends are which if you feel that makes you also one. Keep in mind there are on average more registered Democrats than Republicans registered at any given time. So if you are for this to disenfranchise one party. You may be doing major damage to your own.

Keep voting free legal and fair. I actually believe in Voter ID. Thats after an election season the government should put out a path to created a centralized US backed ID that if you have a social security you will receive a form to fill out. Or go online to make sure all of your information is correct and add this to your status on your drivers license. Or provide every citizen a card for their state to allow them to vote. Give the American people 4 years to prepare and familiarize themselves with the new process. So people without Drivers license can get this card for voting. Or have the status added to their SS account and/or DL card data.

This should be a no brainer. Voter ID was pushed heavily by the Republicans to help Mitt Romney win. This is the only reason for it.



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Old 2012-10-07, 06:28 PM   [Ignore Me] #57
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I felt sick by the way Ron Paul was treated. This was a man that could have changed America, and the world for the better. Instead, we have yet another miserable crony. It is absolutely disgusting how the RNC has chosen to represent republicans everywhere.
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Old 2012-10-08, 11:10 AM   [Ignore Me] #58
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I like to deal in only facts. I will also always admit if I am wrong.
So we covered this already but here goes in reader digest form.
Just because there have only been a few cases proven in court does not mean that those were the only cases of it.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/4926302/p...edirected=true

If this isnt prosecuted...then it never happened right? ......So by that logic, we can safely say that we have won the war on drugs, because only those sucessfully prosecuted have used drugs....right?

And none of these voter ID laws have come in at the last minute. Speaking for Tn's law, it's been in the news for a couple of years, was pased last year and went into effect Jan 1st....so it has been in effect for the better part of a year, and covered the primaries.

Also due to the political impact, you'd think we would have them rolling out poor people, young people, old people, and any other people they could find for disenfranchisement headlines...and yet...nope, not even one, the only one that was in the court sysetm, the woman was able to procure an ID..for free.

330 million people in US. Last election saw 110 million voted. 10 to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. Last election was won by 10 million votes. That's not even going into felons voting, or dead people voting.

I want to make sure every American entitled to vote can vote, and that none of the ones who cant, do, and that no "other" americans (read as illegal aliens) get to vote. The simplest way to do that is to show legal and proper ID. The very small percentage who dont have it, can be taken care of and most of the voter id states say that you still get to vote a provisional ballot.
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Old 2012-10-08, 06:41 PM   [Ignore Me] #59
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...ght-said-fraud

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...-out-the-fraud
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