News: The PlanetSide 2 on Playstation 4 MEGA THREAD - Page 5

Baneblade · 2013-06-10, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by exile

You are ridiculous. When players have this kind of bad experience they are less likely to continue playing the game and that's just bad business for SOE, especially considering the F2P model that needs to get money over time rather than just an initial hit for the disk purchase. Try thinking outside of your tiny box of nerdrage for a second and consider how the real world actually works.

I think you are overestimating a few things. Like that anyone will give a shit. First of all, how is someone stuck on a controller any different from someone else who has no idea what is going on? If they want to keep using the controller, that's fine... PS2 is free to play... their way.

Quit whining about something that only happened in your head.

Sifer2 · 2013-06-10, 11:20 PM

So Sony conference ended. They didn't even mention Planetside 2. Showed off Destiny instead which just looks like a prettier Borderlands so far.

Interesting things though announced in a rush at the end were that it's going to cost 399 dollars. Will allow you to play used games, and not need constant internet connection. And they were very sneaky about it but mixed in with that good news they said playing online now requires a membership fee similar to how X-Box has.

I wonder if that fee will be waived for Planetside 2. If not then it's not really Free 2 Play unless the person was already paying membership for other games. lol

exile · 2013-06-10, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Baneblade

I think you are overestimating a few things. Like that anyone will give a shit. First of all, how is someone stuck on a controller any different from someone else who has no idea what is going on? If they want to keep using the controller, that's fine... PS2 is free to play... their way.

Sure clueless players will be equally clueless on both platforms, but console players who have some experience with FPS games will be at the disadvantages I've described, and that is the core audience for the game.

Originally Posted by Baneblade

Quit whining about something that only happened in your head.

I'm not complaining about anything, just pointing out the obvious reasons for SOE's decision to split the platforms.

Maidere · 2013-06-11, 03:02 AM

I'm 100% with exile, but it seems like this particular discussion isn't going anywhere.
However, I'm 100% sure that servers will be separated and guys on forums will butthurt loud cause they wont be able to teach console naps how to play PS2 "properly".

Baneblade · 2013-06-11, 05:51 AM

I think you both are underestimating consoleers. I fully expect them to end up the dominant population in PS2. If we all share servers, PC will be the minority, easily. I really don't see what all the doom and gloom is about. The issue isn't the controller, I know some PC players that use one. Hell, I know one that uses a fracking trackball.

In any case, PC or PS4, it won't matter, people will play the way they want with the human device interface they want.

Crator · 2013-06-11, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by exile

You are ridiculous. When players have this kind of bad experience they are less likely to continue playing the game and that's just bad business for SOE, especially considering the F2P model that needs to get money over time rather than just an initial hit for the disk purchase. Try thinking outside of your tiny box of nerdrage for a second and consider how the real world actually works.

I don't like to speculate on something that has the potential to produce something good. I'd rather have real life experience with the product in question to tell me that. I see no reason to not try it at least. It's ridiculous to just throw the baby out with the bath water imo. Which is what you nay-sayers seem to be doing. Nice on the personal attacks btw, shows class.

FireWater · 2013-06-11, 11:44 AM

PS4 price point is much more favorable than the Xbox One, I think also it may have better hardware with less of the bullshit that Microsoft is exploiting from their customers.

So PS2 Being F2P for the console maybe a large attraction for gamers that maybe already operating on a budget.

Either way, there will be a PS4 fan base. We can either welcome them with open arms and share knowledge, or we can chastise as the PC Master Race and how dare they play OUR game. One of those statements is routed in reality, the other is just a perceived reality in some people's minds.

I for one say if there is a viable K+M option for PS4, than they should merge the player bases. I think it would be something really special to see cross platform play.

Rivenshield · 2013-06-11, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by FireWater

I for one say if there is a viable K+M option for PS4, than they should merge the player bases. I think it would be something really special to see cross platform play.

You and me both.

Root Hade · 2013-06-11, 06:09 PM

PS+ (monthly sub) is required for PS4 multiplayer. People are assuming Sony are putting their F2P titles behind that pay-wall. Doesn't this kinda bugger the whole F2P angle? I mean its designed to lower the barrier to entry as much as possible right?

With people paying PS+ for online games they already want to play, how many people will even bleed through to the numerous f2p games with slow ass unlock grinds and vague/perceived pay2win.

They'd need to be exempt from the PS+ requirement (PS+ equaling subscription benefits?), but that'd be so inconsistent it'd probably result in a bunch of complaints.

exile · 2013-06-11, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

I don't like to speculate on something that has the potential to produce something good. I'd rather have real life experience with the product in question to tell me that. I see no reason to not try it at least. It's ridiculous to just throw the baby out with the bath water imo. Which is what you nay-sayers seem to be doing. Nice on the personal attacks btw, shows class.

Ffs, this game isn't your personal little sand pit to play in with no consequences outside it, it is a game played by thousands of other people and also a business. SOE has to speculate about what will be best for the game, because there is little chance of getting players to come back after they have tried it and left.

It's just a simple matter of risk/reward, why would SOE add any additional risk without a major incentive? What is that incentive?

And yes, I am classy as fuck.

exile · 2013-06-11, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Baneblade

I think you both are underestimating consoleers. I fully expect them to end up the dominant population in PS2. If we all share servers, PC will be the minority, easily. I really don't see what all the doom and gloom is about. The issue isn't the controller, I know some PC players that use one. Hell, I know one that uses a fracking trackball.

Think about this! Underestimating consoleers?!?! Have you ever played a FPS on a console? Can you imagine the bitching from PC players when the majority of the community is being pulled from the console CoD scene?!

Here is an article that was widely circulated some years ago about how the XBOX dev team tested out built-in crossplatform play for XBOX 360 and scrapped the idea after they saw console players getting consistently destroyed by PC players:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...-Platform-Play

And you can argue that it's just a rumour, but you know why everyone reported it? Because it makes perfect sense to anyone who's ever used a mouse.

And trackballs are actually fine, they don't have the inherent physical limitations of a controller.

Sifer2 · 2013-06-11, 07:16 PM

Well like the article said it wasn't just some rumored test. It was actually tried with Shadowrun, and it doesn't work. KB/M IS way better for shooters. It's just a fact. Some people may prefer Gamepad but it is not as fast, and accurate as a Mouse for aiming. Mouse was designed specifically for fast accurate pointing to a spot on the screen. Thumbsticks were not. That's why almost all console shooter have aim assist.

Which is just one of the reasons why cross platform play is not happening. People here shouldn't even really be expecting the possibility of it. Aside from KB/M vs Gamepad issue. There will probably differences under the hood in how the client runs on PC vs PS4. And they run on different networks. In the past Sony didn't let this stop cross platform features but now that PSN is a premium subscriptions based service they might not be willing to allow people on this service who are not paying for it.

Root Hade · 2013-06-12, 05:12 AM

Oh well I revoke my last comment then lol

This will also depend on the judgement by the publishers, and there will be some free to play titles that you’ll be able to play without needing a PS Plus subscription, like PlanetSide 2 and DC Universe Online.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/...player-on-ps4/

Sledgecrushr · 2013-06-12, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Think about this! Underestimating consoleers?!?! Have you ever played a FPS on a console? Can you imagine the bitching from PC players when the majority of the community is being pulled from the console CoD scene?!

Here is an article that was widely circulated some years ago about how the XBOX dev team tested out built-in crossplatform play for XBOX 360 and scrapped the idea after they saw console players getting consistently destroyed by PC players:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...-Platform-Play

And you can argue that it's just a rumour, but you know why everyone reported it? Because it makes perfect sense to anyone who's ever used a mouse.

And trackballs are actually fine, they don't have the inherent physical limitations of a controller.

This might have been perfectly true with the old xbox. Im pretty sure that the old xbox didnt have native support for kb+m like the ps4 has. And for just a few bucks a young consoleer can go down to walmart and purchase a cheapo mouse and keyboard and play his ps4 like he was part of the pc master race.

PredatorFour · 2013-06-12, 07:05 AM

It's piss funny that you seem to think all consoler's are kids... Also that the only FPS on a console is CoD ...(grabs

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