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2012-03-15, 01:13 PM | [Ignore Me] #76 | |||
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Perhaps you should even make a thread about it to the idea vault, cos I think a system like that would be superior to just about any other possible system, and it really is only about the coding part of it.
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2012-03-15, 01:42 PM | [Ignore Me] #77 | |||
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All they have to do is organize that "score" and implement a method of giving people finite complaints. |
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2012-03-15, 02:03 PM | [Ignore Me] #78 | |||
Major General
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That's a funny statement. I recently had someone tell me I was a cheater after killing them solo. I asked him how this was. His response, "Anyone who kills me is a cheater." :P |
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2012-03-15, 04:04 PM | [Ignore Me] #79 | |||
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Blatant cheaters will be caught and banned on a day-to-day basis, "real" cheaters will be tougher to catch, but won't cause as much hassle as the scriptkiddies with the aimbot turned up 10000%. My point being: I'm not too worried about cheats and hacks. PS2 will be server-side, so the worst we'll see will be toned down aimbots (aka useless cheats). |
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2012-03-15, 04:23 PM | [Ignore Me] #80 | |||
The vast majority of players are right in the middle, average. When you get a large number of hackers artificially raising their skill level you shift the entire bell curve to the right, this causes thousands of people to not play, or to start hacking also, shifting the curve further right causing those others that don't want to hack to quit. Hackers that pretend to be legitimate are JUST as damaging to a game as the ones that come in, kill every instantly and get themselves banned. In fact, there's plenty of argument to say that they're far worse in the long run. |
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2012-03-15, 04:36 PM | [Ignore Me] #81 | |||
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Another thing you need to take into account is that the top percentage of players will always be there. There will always be a handful of people that will beat the living crap out of you, every single time. There is absolutely nothing you can do about that, apart from raising your own skill-level. Your fancy diagram will still look exactly the same, even if everyone was cheating. |
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2012-03-15, 05:17 PM | [Ignore Me] #82 | |||
Brigadier General
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Right, but only affects if those stealthy hackers never get dectected. But they will. Punkbuster got some nice features, but there is some other stuff the devs can do given that they do their own engine. If they do it right, its gotta be quite hard to cheat in PS2. Hard enough to make it rahter impossible for the usual script kiddy. Means all those guys buying hacks form someone or downloading them somewhere will get banned within seconds, and the only cheaters remaining are those who are capable of doing their own hacks. But given that Forgelight is completly new, it will take quite a while to figure out how to break it. And given they can change the engine freely, its possible that the devs can just close whatever holes there are that allow hacking. Given that they invest the nessesary work, of course. If they dont, as happening in BF3 and APB right now, then nothing can stop hacking. Its a constant battle between hackers and the devs, a battle that can never be won by the devs, but a battle they have to constantly fight, because otherwise they loose. |
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2012-03-15, 05:26 PM | [Ignore Me] #83 | ||
Second Lieutenant
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you can have the best anti hack detection there is, you can have the best report system ever created,with the most dedicated admins you will ever meet, a dedicated community that reports all hackers,but all these things are useless if a hacker can make another account 3 mins after he was banned. THE ONLY WAY TO GET RID OF HACKERS IS THE HURT THEIR WALLET.
im sure you all have faith in your admins and devs, but they will loose!!!!!!! if hackers are able to make accounts over and over again for free then you all will see first hand what hacker waves are.THEY DONT CARE IF THEY GET BANNED!!!!!! THEY DONT CARE !!!!! they will make another account and be right back in game hacking again. Last edited by Rumblepit; 2012-03-15 at 05:27 PM. |
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2012-03-15, 05:30 PM | [Ignore Me] #84 | |||
Brigadier General
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Hardware bans. Nuff said And if you even remotly suggest that the F2P model should be abadoned for P2P, i order to stop hackers, then you are a giant fool. P2P does not work if you dont offer players the ability to try the game (free trials), and without free trials, you will get almost no new players. Means the game would die rather quickly. |
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2012-03-15, 06:01 PM | [Ignore Me] #85 | |||
Second Lieutenant
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and no im not saying they should abandon f2p, but im am saying there will be hackers, LOTS OF THEM and the only thing we can do is ban them over and over again, and hope they get bored..... ive have seen it many times, admins wont win.....i have banned more hackers then most players and admins have ever seen. ive have dedication like you read about when it comes to hack free gameplay .but at the end of the day its like shoveling shet into the tide. you gain no ground and the same script kiddies are at it again the next day. so i ask you this basti, have you ever played a skill based f2p game????? or you just talking smack??? because everyone who has knows what im talking about, and you appear to be in the dark my friend. |
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2012-03-19, 12:21 PM | [Ignore Me] #86 | |||
Master Sergeant
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/report (playername), (offense) Of course this could lead to false positives so I recommend that you have a report number threshold so that if say, 30 people report the same guy in a certain space of time you will know to look into it. |
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2012-03-19, 01:14 PM | [Ignore Me] #87 | ||
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A streamlined, easy IN-GAME cheat report method must be available. And there must be staff available that is willing to address the cheaters. Cheaters ruin games -- especially f2p games.
Skitrel is right about the cheater argument in the previous 5 pages. Anyone who says that cheaters are easy to beat is simply retarded. A cheater who has massively toned down his cheats and is dying on purpose to keep his stats more reasonable to avoid detection is beatable -- by design. A hacker with no "stealth mode" settings is impossible to beat and what he does/can do is impossible to reproduce without hacks. Simple as that. |
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2012-03-19, 02:02 PM | [Ignore Me] #88 | |||
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A hacker in "no-stealth-mode" will most probably be banned with short notice, seeing as the cheat is so obvious. A cheater with stealth-mode activated will not cause as much harm as the no-stealth cheater, since he will only be on par with the better players of the community. |
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