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2012-04-29, 07:12 PM
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I was wondering what kind of global resource denial tactics will be available in PS2? If I understood correctly resources of certain type (there will be few of them) are gathered automatically when holding certain facility in your control. The resources gained are then divided among members of an empire for personal use. Right?
So beside usual take over facility to deny access to resources method will there be more advanced methods at your disposal. I.e. if one Empire (i.e. TR) managed to cut off certain part of enemies territory with certain strategically important resource facility on the map how will this affect the resource flow between that facility and the main part of that Empire (i.e. NC)? Will the gain resource from cut off facility still be shared as that part wasn't cut off or will the people in the cut off part of the territory only be able to obtain resources from territories they are connected to. Maybe aircrafts could be used to supply cut off territories? This would certainly make room for more strategic gameplay - instead of taking over a heavily guarded enemy facility you could simply cut it off to deny your enemies that particular resource. Edit: Visual example of situation described above. F represents grid where facility with rare resource is located. Instead of having to capture heavily defended facility F Empire could attack and capture less defended territory in the grind and by doing this deny the larger part of other Empire the valuable resource produced in facility F.   Also it would be cool if high ranking command officers could deliberately sabotage facility in your own control (i.e. cause a reactor leak) when it's loss is imminent to temporarily (6-24 hours) disable it and deny enemy from exploiting resources from that facility in that period. That would also encourage Empires to go fighting more deeply into enemy territory to take over and sabotage facilities they couldn't realistically hold on to for long simply to deny them particular resources. This would be an interesting addition to the game's global strategy imo. Last edited by Immigrant; 2012-04-29 at 07:43 PM. |
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2012-04-29, 07:50 PM
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I like those ideas and the idea of sabotaging a base if you know a large enemy force is coming, maybe different options that do different things, like stopping resource collection, disabling a base for a time limit by setting off a radiation burst that kills everthing near it, but have a visible timer so that everyone knows when the base will blow up. That could be an awesome option if attacking an enemy base and knowing it's a do or die mission for the team trying to stop it.
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2012-04-29, 09:12 PM
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03-23-2012 http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...4&postcount=92 Basically the jist of it is to conduct mission-based resource denial, and interference, with non front line actions deep in enemy territory, given the paradigm that true "back-hacks" are unlikely. Rear area disruptions ("hack-type" mechanics, with different results...), that are centered around resources, rather than land grabs, could be very useful. Especially to a faction that has its back against a wall... I think this would flesh out the mission system even more, and the necessity for defence in depth, or rapid deployment. The meta game of resources would never be a given even for a faction that is steam rolling the others, because the more area / resource nodes they aquire the more targets of opportunity they need to defend. Here are the ideas: 1. Partisans... "Partisan hacking" in the enemies rear areas allows for a small resource gain each minute the hack is in progress, regardless of success or failure. So, the needy empire always gets something for the effort. It puts a similar drain on the owning empire each minute also, which simulates supply line interuption abstractly. Resource gain should probably tie into the hack timers (long timer = "safe" and developed) to simulate the value of "fresh / untouched" areas which would be considered more productive for having seen less war ravages for longer, again as an abstraction... If the hack succeeds, then this territory would produce very little if it is recaptured (likely), due to an implied scorched earth policy of the partisan hackers efforts. IE... typical partisans... 2. Sabotage... Missions in the rear of empires that attempt to destroy infrastructure. These could be "sabo-hacks" that are quicker, but do not allow control, just a destruction of resources. Sometimes you just want to jack them up, you may not need the territory... so the timer for this type of hack takes less time to complete. 3. Raid... These missions are similar to sabatoge missions, but if an empire needs resources more than they need to deny resources, then this is a marauder mission, or "raid-hack", on depots or bases with intent to steal supplies... Think in terms of attacking baggage trains, depots, convoys, etc. Similar to sabotage, but there may be an element of extraction involved, much like PS1s LLUs. Which, if sucessful, gives the raiders faction that type of resouce. 4. Scorched earth... If you presently own a territory that is in danger of being taken, there could be a mission(s) of scorched earth, or "scorch-hack", where you destroy a territorys usefulness for a period of time, and this means if you keep ahold of it, you screwed yourself too... It could be as simple as multiple hacks on your own structures, each one reducing, or lengthening the resource degredation of a given territory. This one is cool, because you never know who gets hurt, or helped by this, so feints and diversions could cause the enemy to damage themselves. All this could be done with no damage to the resource system for territory aquisition, and fleshes out the mission system even more, since it would interact with the meta economics, for more strategy. If tuned well, this could even things out meta-wise, and really FORCE empires to maintain villigance on the rest of the map or really SUFFER from complacency. Last edited by Grognard; 2012-04-29 at 09:16 PM. |
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2012-04-30, 03:10 AM
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As for scorched land strategy/sabotaging there should be few rules to prevent exploits and make this tactic harder and prevent abuse from potential "covert agents" in your Empire's ranks. First only high level officers could start sabotage from main control room of the facility (maybe 2 more should be needed to confirm that action - to prevent double agents from making mischief too easy). Next this option should be available only when enemy has breached facility perimeter. Next effect wouldn't be immediate - this action would then start the counter let's say 30 mins - in that time if you lost your facility enemies hackers could hack and disable started sabotage sequence. So you would have to hold the enemy force out of main control room for another 30 mins for this to succeed. Also once started timer can't be reversed by your Empire just to prevent using this strategy every time your facility is under attack. |
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2012-04-30, 03:35 AM
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My solution for that problem is far simpler - penalize effectiveness per hex for larger Empires. Let's say there are 33 territories/hexes to be held. Holding 11 would be optimal yet if you had more there would be a kind of saturation (due to logistic problems in managing a large area). Holding another hex above 11 would decrease your Empire hex production effectiveness by let's say 0,5% per hex. So holding 31 hexes would reduce your effectiveness per hex by 10%. However in absolute numbers you would still have an increased resource gain and be stimulated to hold onto your hexes. These figures are just exemplary, exact final values should be tested to work the best for the game.
I explained my take on scorched earth/sabotage in a post above and how it should work. To sabotage a facility you would need to take over it, activate sabotage option immediately and then defend it for next 30 mins to succeed. Stealing resources aka "partisan hacking "as you call it should be restricted to infiltrators. Also gains from it should go only to infiltrator doing the hacking personally and his current squad imo. That would make INFs valuable to have on your team when raiding an enemy outpost. On a Empire level siphoning resources could be implemented by setting up some kind of structure/vehicle in enemy territory to divert up to 10% of resources from that territory to your Empire. It should also be restricted to one effective siphon structure/vehicle per hex. Last edited by Immigrant; 2012-04-30 at 04:04 AM. |
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2012-04-30, 09:16 AM
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I like the idea of supply lines and resource disruption when done by an opposing faction... 20-30% loss like mentioned sounds reasonable
The sabotaging of your own faction's resource generation is a bad plan though. I like it in theory, but with internet trolls it would just lead to a few select people making dummy accounts on their disliked factions and destroying that faction's resource gain. It would be anti-fun. As for radiation leakage or reactor meltdowns, that would be insanely awesome... as long as you cannot do it to your own faction's. I can already see the implementation of this adding to gameplay in a very large way. Leak: everyone inside the base, for all factions, receiving a DoT, until the generator is repaired. Meltdown: A countdown like mentioned, at the end of which, a blastwave killing everyone in the base and then some. IMHO the countdown should only be visible on the interior of the base or even restricted to only the generator room. This would necessitate communication and would make for some epic moments in TS/Vent. |
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2012-04-30, 12:12 PM
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scorched earth is not a good idea.all it would take is one troll to go and destray everything and your empire suddenly has no resources. anyway what if you were taking over a base, wouldent you be angry if you got nothing for it. which would happen at every base cap because people would want to deny the other team every time. then what would be the point of playing the game if this was in?
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2012-04-30, 12:40 PM
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 . If you took it fast enough this wouldn't happen (read my second post). Beside that it would be only temporary and you'd still get regular general resources for holding that territory (just not the special ones). It would be hard to pull off, so I really doubt it would happen every time. As for the second part if you read my posts above you would have known that the defenders would have to evaluate the situation very carefully. If activating this measure too early they could end up messing production for themselves (i.e. if you have reinforcements on the way or the attacking force is simply to small and weak to take over your base). Also as I said they would have to defend the main control room for a certain amount of time before (30-45 mins) before sabotage could be pulled off - these kind of situations wouldn't really be that common and very hard to pull off since you would have to know that you have no chance of winning and yet manage to stall/counter enemy forces for long enough to make it. This would be sort of reward for holding your base against the stronger and larger force for that amount of time. Last edited by Immigrant; 2012-04-30 at 12:45 PM. |
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2012-04-30, 01:54 PM
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2012-04-30, 02:58 PM
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 You don't like it, ok it's fine. But don't make up invalid arguments.
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2012-04-30, 03:13 PM
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So you dont think people will make a person leave him for a month then come and spend his passive cert gain to disrupt the other team? You say high ranking people but people will make the effort to gain this skill to troll the other sides.
Anyway peoples mentality shouldn't be "your going to take this base so im going to make it worthless HAHA!" if people are able to rip the base away from the other side then they deserve the resources that they will get. the game will be boring if the other sides cant afford tanks and air. Last edited by Purple; 2012-04-30 at 03:16 PM. |
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2012-04-30, 03:53 PM
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The base isn't going to be useless, only it won't produce it's main resource for couple of hours - you could still fortify it and gain basic resource/credits. Also defenders would have to really work hard to make that base useless since if attackers managed to capture it within say 30-45 mins their attempt to sabotage would fail. I understand you don't like the idea in general. As I said it's ok. But please don't make arguments against it that are essentially false. Last edited by Immigrant; 2012-04-30 at 03:56 PM. |
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2012-04-30, 04:02 PM
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2012-04-30, 04:09 PM
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2012-04-30, 04:10 PM
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