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Old 2012-04-04, 11:58 AM   [Ignore Me] #226
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Yeah, Fox News is a Republican mouthpiece..because all the other news outfits are so liberal its disgusting.
It's interesting how some people only see things as being either "good" or "so liberal its disgusting".

And it also adds weight to the fact that, by Florida state law, he had every right to put a bullet in his attacker...because he had a CCL.
Except Martin almost certainly wasn't the attacker. The only reason anyone thinks Martin (a kid with no history of violence on his way home from the store, talking to his girlfriend on the way) was the attacker here is because of scary black person stereotypes. It is vastly more probable that Zimmerman, a guy who does have a violent history, who had been fired from a security job for being too aggressive, who actively chased down Martin, made things turn physical.

To assume that Zimmerman did indeed get lost in his own three-street neighborhood, and Martin attacked him, tried to take his gun, and then said "You got me!" as Zimmerman shot him, well, it isn't because of logic that you believe that's anything like the truth.
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Old 2012-04-04, 12:42 PM   [Ignore Me] #227
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This shit happens DAILY in the US and nobody gives a fuck, but SUDDENLY they care SO MUCH about a dead black guy just because the media makes it into something big.
Now that is an interesting question! Why did the MSM choose to make so much ado about a scenario like this one, at this particular time?

What else would we be talking and thinking about if not for this distraction?

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It is called distraction. It is no accident this is happening right now, it takes attention from Obamacare being destroyed by the Supreme Court.
Or Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness, signed on the ides of March.

Or . . . ?

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Old 2012-04-04, 12:42 PM   [Ignore Me] #228
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I am amazed at how you ignore large facets of this case, and warp the rest to fit your personal political ethos. More surprising is how blatant the media has been in doing the same. What they're doing is almost criminal in itself.

Do you actually believe in the garbage you post or are you just board warrioring?
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Old 2012-04-04, 01:04 PM   [Ignore Me] #229
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What are my personal political ethos which warp my perception of this case as a white Canadian?

And I'd say I've read/heard pretty much every facet of this. It may be every day stuff where some people are from, but it's a pretty crazy story for me. What I'd really like to know is whether the defense of Zimmerman here is a racial thing, a 2nd amendment thing, a... "the LIEberal media are saying X, therefore I believe Y!" thing, or what.
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Old 2012-04-04, 01:47 PM   [Ignore Me] #230
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How about a due process thing?
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Old 2012-04-04, 01:58 PM   [Ignore Me] #231
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Acknowledging the facts surrounding the case doesn't mean that all of a sudden George Zimmerman is no longer entitled to due process. I know PSU is a pretty cool site with a pretty happening Political Debate sub-forum, but I think the Florida prosecutors are going to go at it without consulting us for the verdict this time.

And yes, I think Zimmerman is going to be indicted. Angela Corey is the one looking into it. Prosecutor in Florida teen shooting aims to do "right thing".

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Old 2012-04-04, 03:21 PM   [Ignore Me] #232
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Point is, the man will be found guilty no matter what the truth is. His due process was taken from him by the media.
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Old 2012-04-04, 05:38 PM   [Ignore Me] #234
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Originally Posted by ArcIyte View Post
I am amazed at how you ignore large facets of this case, and warp the rest to fit your personal political ethos. More surprising is how blatant the media has been in doing the same. What they're doing is almost criminal in itself.

Do you actually believe in the garbage you post or are you just board warrioring?
I'm also amazed at how you are absolutely certain it was justifiable homicide. I'm also amazed at how everyone defending Zimmerman is trying to draw attention away from him and onto the media, as if that is more important than a fair trial itself.

Does the media influence? Sure. Should it? No. /deliberate media derail to blame it on the liberals.

Ad hominem much btw?
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Old 2012-04-04, 07:40 PM   [Ignore Me] #235
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Point is, the man will be found guilty no matter what the truth is. His due process was taken from him by the media.
YEA! Just like OJ's and Casey Anthony.
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Old 2012-04-04, 07:54 PM   [Ignore Me] #236
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YEA! Just like OJ's and Casey Anthony.
That is actually a good point.

If the public thinks you're guilty....you're automatically guilty.

That's why Casey Anthony is in hiding...even though she was found not guilty of any wrongdoing.

And that's why I'm saying give the fucking justice system a chance to do their job before you start crying about Zimmerman getting away with some type of injustice. You don't know what happened, you weren't there....you don't know better than anyone else.

This discussion...like another poster commented....is warping into a political ethos war.
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Old 2012-04-04, 08:37 PM   [Ignore Me] #237
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Originally Posted by Sobekeus View Post
Point is, the man will be found guilty no matter what the truth is. His due process was taken from him by the media.
That isn't true at all. OJ walked, even though he was clearly guilty, because the cops/prosecution were incompetent and Johnnie Cochran came at them with the wookie defense. OJ's case wasn't obvious before the trial began, though, so maybe the analogy is a bit off.

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Meh.
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Old 2012-04-04, 10:28 PM   [Ignore Me] #239
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Or maybe there's another reason why I might think poorly of a man who chased down an unarmed teenager and shot him to death with a pistol. Or do you suppose all the Americans who agree with my sentiment are themselves... non-American? Honestly I'm not sure why where I'm from makes any difference. Is there a place on the planet where it's a fine thing for men to go around shooting boys because they think they're suspicious?

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Old 2012-04-04, 11:30 PM   [Ignore Me] #240
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Innocent until proven guilty.
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