News: Higby Outlines this Months Patch

[Bobby Shaftoe]

Originally Posted by Kerrec

Wow, how ignorant.

More applicable to the Devs than one bitter vet, seeing as how they've pretty much ignored months of suggestions/ideas from the passionate community.

You can search pretty much any 'bitter vet' postings on PSU and you'll see them calling out every problem the game has right now, before they even got to play the game.

Pray tell, what exactly was their original plan, release the game, go quiet after a month, watch pops plummet, then fix spawncamping 2 months after release?

PS1 had the majority of its 'meta' (horribly misused word) elements in for release, base linked benefits and 2 new vehicles were added within 2 months of PS1s release. They are STILL WORKING ON THE BASICS for PS2 in comparison.

Anyone credulous enough to think they'll unfuck PS2 (since they're all down to Dev decisions) in any sort of reasonable time (as in 6 months) should probably get checked out but before that, I've got some prime real-estate I'd like to sell to you.

[Hamma]

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[Assist]

Originally Posted by Bobby Shaftoe

More applicable to the Devs than one bitter vet, seeing as how they've pretty much ignored months of suggestions/ideas from the passionate community.

You can search pretty much any 'bitter vet' postings on PSU and you'll see them calling out every problem the game has right now, before they even got to play the game.

Pray tell, what exactly was their original plan, release the game, go quiet after a month, watch pops plummet, then fix spawncamping 2 months after release?

PS1 had the majority of its 'meta' (horribly misused word) elements in for release, base linked benefits and 2 new vehicles were added within 2 months of PS1s release. They are STILL WORKING ON THE BASICS for PS2 in comparison.

Anyone credulous enough to think they'll unfuck PS2 (since they're all down to Dev decisions) in any sort of reasonable time (as in 6 months) should probably get checked out but before that, I've got some prime real-estate I'd like to sell to you.

I was going to make a big post refuting your comments, but I realized some people are a lost cause and would rather be miserable SOBs than enjoy themselves in a game.
All I will say is, some of the PS1 vets here remind me of 8-track junkies. You can claim how great PS1 was, and how it was the bestest thing ever, but the truth is it failed, flopped, and finally died off due to the fact that more people post on these forums daily than played PS1 on the average day.

[Kerrec]

Originally Posted by Bobby Shaftoe

More applicable to the Devs than one bitter vet, seeing as how they've pretty much ignored months of suggestions/ideas from the passionate community.

You can search pretty much any 'bitter vet' postings on PSU and you'll see them calling out every problem the game has right now, before they even got to play the game.

Pray tell, what exactly was their original plan, release the game, go quiet after a month, watch pops plummet, then fix spawncamping 2 months after release?

PS1 had the majority of its 'meta' (horribly misused word) elements in for release, base linked benefits and 2 new vehicles were added within 2 months of PS1s release. They are STILL WORKING ON THE BASICS for PS2 in comparison.

Anyone credulous enough to think they'll unfuck PS2 (since they're all down to Dev decisions) in any sort of reasonable time (as in 6 months) should probably get checked out but before that, I've got some prime real-estate I'd like to sell to you.

Amazing! So, you are saying that all of the issues mentioned were not part of community feedback? They saw the issues all on their own, and came up with their own solutions? So you're saying that spawn room defensibility was not mentionned at all in the community? Adjustments to AA was not mentioned? Adjustments to Air was not mentioned? Dynamic XP was not mentioned?

If I bothered to take the time, I can probably find a thread discussing every single major topic touched by these notes. All input from current PS2 players and old PS1 "vets" alike.

Sounds to me like there are no notes (yet) on the isses YOU deem most important and are all pissy and throwing a forum tantrum.

My best friend is a programmer in the gaming industry. They work rediculous hours. Then when it gets to release time, they work EVEN MORE REDICULOUS HOURS. If they've been gone for a month, they're probably taking all the owed vacation time they weren't alowed to take prior to release, as well as taking well earned relaxation time so they don't end up divorced or in an insane asylum.

If you consider that devs are expected to play their own games so they have a clue, and grant that even when they're "playing", they're actually working; then you have to see that they put in rediculous quantities of time WORKING.

Everyone needs vacation, distraction and rest.

[Bobby Shaftoe]

Originally Posted by Kerrec

Amazing!

I know! Who'd have thunk it, if you make stupid decisions, you make more work for yourself.

They made their design decisions, we've been shouting that they're the wrong ones for months, they're now having to work on redoing shit which just happens to align with what we were saying all along.

It's a case of we fucking told you so, whilst being shouted down by all the newbs who were and still are clueless.

Of course you don't have to listen to anything I say, you can just check the game population dropping like a rock instead.

[james]

Originally Posted by Kerrec

Amazing! So, you are saying that all of the issues mentioned were not part of community feedback? They saw the issues all on their own, and came up with their own solutions? So you're saying that spawn room defensibility was not mentionned at all in the community? Adjustments to AA was not mentioned? Adjustments to Air was not mentioned? Dynamic XP was not mentioned?

If I bothered to take the time, I can probably find a thread discussing every single major topic touched by these notes. All input from current PS2 players and old PS1 "vets" alike.

Sounds to me like there are no notes (yet) on the isses YOU deem most important and are all pissy and throwing a forum tantrum.

My best friend is a programmer in the gaming industry. They work rediculous hours. Then when it gets to release time, they work EVEN MORE REDICULOUS HOURS. If they've been gone for a month, they're probably taking all the owed vacation time they weren't alowed to take prior to release, as well as taking well earned relaxation time so they don't end up divorced or in an insane asylum.

If you consider that devs are expected to play their own games so they have a clue, and grant that even when they're "playing", they're actually working; then you have to see that they put in rediculous quantities of time WORKING.

Everyone needs vacation, distraction and rest.

Everyone deserves a vacation but basically release a game than taking off a month, during a time period where a large part of your player base is going to play more.
The problem was that they basically left it in a mid beta state, the game had major crashing issues, poor performance, along with a slew of other problems. While every deserves a break, a whole month has caused most of their player base to quit.
There population on steam has just dropped below the 10k mark this week. Not even enough to fill two servers.
I'm not saying they don't deserve breaks at some point, but leaving your game in the state they left it, and releasing in the holiday season. Was just a horrible choice, that as it looks will have major effects on the future of the game.

[maradine]

Yes. They fucked up. And now we can be supportive as they try to turn it around, or, you know, not.

If your choice is the latter, take a moment to question what you're doing here.

[james]

Originally Posted by maradine

Yes. They fucked up. And now we can be supportive as they try to turn it around, or, you know, not.

If your choice is the latter, take a moment to question what you're doing here.

The devs have to win back the faith of the community, for many it left a sour taste with people.

[p0intman]

Originally Posted by Bobby Shaftoe

You can search pretty much any 'bitter vet' postings on PSU and you'll see them calling out every problem the game has right now, before they even got to play the game.

as the most bitter of bitter vets here, i take full responsibility for everything the devs fucked up being fixed, because they weren't so hilariously broken that even new players and those that were gung ho about this game pre-beta were pointing them out as fucking terrible problems.

/sarcasm

[Climhazzard]

Originally Posted by Sunrock

Sure you did not misunderstood? "Increases to reload speed" means that the reload speed will be longer.

Ehh... If you increase the speed of something, you make it faster.

Originally Posted by ringring

Oh I forgot. They're working on new player experience, so it looks like that didn't make the cut this time around.

I've heard that's scheduled for February.

Originally Posted by Tatwi

Thanks SOE, that's really kind of you. Good to know you're excited to solve your problems with our money.

Plenty of people over on the official forums expressed their willingness to pay for server transfers.

It seems that when most people throw out the phrase "listen to your customers" what they really mean is "listen to me and the people that agree with me."