Originally Posted by Warborn
Also, pro tip, but Jesus didn't write the Bible, men did many years after the fact.
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I wouldn't do that. Using logic like that mixed with this:
Originally Posted by kertvon
With that being said, I have chosen not to entrust my life to the ideology of fallible men.
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Could do interesting things to a person who doesn't question their religion, especially one who admits they could make mistakes. Mistakes in reasoning being a key theme. It's interesting why one would view fallibility as a purely negative thing. To the enlightened fallibility is a learning experience for oneself and society. (For simpler organisms fallibility is still basic evolution
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Originally Posted by kertvon
Yea we understand a lot about our universe, but nobody can know something better than the one who made it.
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It's an interesting assumption to start off with. Duke uses this same argument to justify his religious beliefs in this thread also. The concept that because humans haven't unraveled everything completely yet means it's impossible to place trust in the current theories. The same phrase could be spoken 8K years ago to an Egyptian. "You know how to make pottery, but you don't know how an atom works yet." The understanding that we might be so far from unraveling all the unknowns. Though arguably our current understanding of the universe enables us to fly and go into space which is a step up on the level of understanding. Though still not good enough. As I said to Duke sadly for both of us we were born in the wrong age to fully comprehend the universe.
The assumption that there was something at first, and it was a sentient being that fully understood everything after first creating it is an interesting hypothesis. Though to follow the Christian creation myth with the "little" we know it's completely unrealistic and you'd really need to have blind faith to follow its contradictions. (If you are thinking there are no contradictions then you have very little understanding of the "little" humanity has learned). "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Research if you're curious. The best way to be stuck in a religion is to not ask questions. (Sadly from some religions, like Jehovah Witnesses, followers are trained for years to not ask certain questions).
However, I think you might need to talk with a professional:
Originally Posted by kertvon
I was raised in church and drifted away from my faith for some years. I recall some of the things I got into and particularly instances where I was calling on demonic entities.
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Those kind of thought patterns of "demonic entities" in one's thoughts is a classic defense mechanisms religious people use so they don't have to face their real thoughts or to try to label them as spiritual and outside the body. Personally to me it sounds unhealthy and something where you're looking for a higher power to solve a problem that you can't deal with. I don't know if your church indoctrinated you the same way as some do through guilt. That is they ingrain into believers that they are fallible and make mistakes usually labeling them "sins" and that they can't redeem themselves except through a deity (in the Christian religion the prophet/deity Jesus depending on the version). That is they are dependent on religion for salvation. This is really something someone has to come up with on their own if they can solve their own problems or if they are stigma'ed with "sin" (or even original sin) that exists in a spiritual sense that can never be removed. That guilt system that already exists when people make mistakes is essentially preyed on. It's something one has to figure out on their own. (If it makes it easier most Atheists view it as a psychological scam, but to understand that you might need to think about it for a while).
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