Gun Control - Page 15

Baneblade · 2012-08-01, 03:25 PM

Lobbyists don't even know where Ron Paul's office is.

**Malorn** · 2012-08-01, 03:29 PM

Meh.

Figment · 2012-08-01, 06:10 PM

I don't recall there's a lower limit for bribes. Being on a payroll is being bought. Done.

Happy "politics".

EDIT: ANY personal gain incentive provided by an external interest group to influence a vote or even to "call to support" someone having a vote or even offer a free holiday by rewarding populism and favouritism is corruption Malorn.

If any such things would be discovered in the Netherlands, they get sued by the state for trying to abuse the system for illegal personal gain, their political parties throw them out with a dishonorable discharge due to public outrage. Even then the populace would immediately punish the party that allowed corruption by going to the competitors and lowering the percentage of seats that party scores next election.

Same goes for incompetence.

**Malorn** · 2012-08-02, 12:07 AM

Meh.

Figment · 2012-08-02, 04:46 AM

Do you realise that there is no difference? Personal gain includes campaign funds to get elected.

Ps: no Jezus never heard of the US, the Caribean were only discovered in 1492 and the USA was founded quite a bit later. Jezus was quite dead by then.

Baneblade · 2012-08-02, 07:15 AM

Not according to the Mormons

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-08-02, 07:35 AM

Whenever I see someone say "this glorious country of ours" with no irony whatsoever I cringe a little.

Warborn · 2012-08-02, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

Much like everything else in your ass backwards country you're about two centuries behind on surpassing us at something. Enjoy being our northern Mexico.

PS: Your country fights wars that we want you to fight. Canadian soldiers are dying fighting our war. I guess being "more rich" than us doesn't prevent your government from bending at the knee at the beck and whim of our very own now does it?

What was that? I couldn't hear you over the noise of your nation's widespread poverty.

More seriously though patriotism and nationalism are both dumb. I don't give a fuck about a nation I just so happened to have been born in.

TheDAWinz · 2012-08-02, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

What was that? I couldn't hear you over the noise of your nation's widespread poverty.

More seriously though patriotism and nationalism are both dumb. I don't give a fuck about a nation I just so happened to have been born in.

I do.

**Malorn** · 2012-08-03, 12:23 AM

Meh.

Figment · 2012-08-03, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Malorn

Not by the laws in the country that matters.

As long as you can provide incentives to influence representative's voting behaviour, it's a bribe. Legalized bribes are still bribes. I'd be concerned if your legislators make bribes legal and tell you "this is normal".

I'd be even more concerned if the voters accept that.

Firefly · 2012-08-03, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

I'd be even more concerned if the voters accept that.

Voters will accept whatever they are told. The majority of registered voters in this country are fucking stupid. I want to guess that at least 70% of them vote along party lines. But even still, they vote for whoever they vote for, and then they don't hold anyone accountable, not even themselves and their fellow party-line voters (see: Tea Party, Occupy).

No, what they will do is this: they'll vote some assclown into office, and then said assclown does something like have a gay love affair or father a child with an illegal immigrant who was his underpaid housekeeper. And either they're blinded by party loyalty or they're religious zealots who will take offense that their Golden Boy has sinned. Then they'll go on Youtube or PSU's Political Debate or Facebook or whatever internet forum suits their political leanings, and they'll froth at the mouth like some sort of emotionally-disturbed child with severe problems and a case of butt-hurt. What's even better is when they mobilize their army of mentally-deficient sycophantic minions who mindlessly follow their every word, and then they go spend an hour ranting on some unfortunate target's page/site/wall until the next rabid crisis arises and they're distracted.

Americans today lack the ability to hold anyone accountable and that includes themselves. In fact they'll do everything but assume responsibility for their actions. It's always someone else's fault, and we should all get on Facebook and be internet slacktivists about it, yes that's the correct answer. But you can't take away their right to vote or make them take an IQ test or common sense test which doesn't even exist, because they'll complain about someone stripping them of their right to make an ass of themselves.

This (and other things) is what happens when you foster a culture where every kid gets a trophy just for showing up. Few people in this country would put meat in front of metal and actually do something about it. The rest are just sheep.

Warborn · 2012-08-03, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by TheDAWinz

I do.

Condolences I guess. Don't worry though, I think we can blame it mainly on the schools and your parents.

Figment · 2012-08-06, 04:04 PM

http://www.squidoo.com/school-shooti...stics-by-state

Fun stats, scroll down for descriptions.

No the responsible gun peoples didn't do MOST of these. But wait! A member of their family was the person using the gun in many of these cases!

Hmm.

Just look at these fine school statistics where your fine youth get hold of guns they shouldn't have and that their responsible families make sure they don't get hold of when they shouldn't. Oh wait.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#1980s

Gee. 19 events in the last 30 years in Europe. 7 in Canada in the last 30 years.

22 events in the US in the last... 2 years.

Oh. 110 events in the past 30 years in the US.

So much saver for our children!

Warborn · 2012-08-06, 10:03 PM

The answer is to give children guns. When literally everyone has a gun, nobody will need the police anymore and nobody ever will get shot.