Essamir redesign is awesome, but lattice has made it incredibly zerg-centric - Page 3

NewSith · 2013-07-30, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by typhaon

^Sounds like what you're saying is that most people prefer not to have these small battles.

Even if they do, there's an interesting paradox - the more people wanting a small fight join that small fight, the bigger it gets.

Taramafor · 2013-07-31, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by NewSith

Even if they do, there's an interesting paradox - the more people wanting a small fight join that small fight, the bigger it gets.

Exactly my point. And those that want small fights look for small fights before they turn into big fights (which of course they'll also want) and everyone wins. And hopefully have fights on a front line instead of being clustered to one area all the time.

Zadexin · 2013-07-31, 01:18 PM

Why are people trying to make this game into something its not. Its a FPS that plays 1000 people per side. This game was always going to be a zergfest until there is a compelling reason NOT to be a zerg fest. It is basic human nature to concentrate maximum firepower on any target. Sure you can use flowery language all you want to say that good tactics are better than the zerg. Tell that to the WW2 Germans. Just remember, PS2 is a land war in Asia.

But for my 2 cents, I hate fighting on Esamir now. I hate the redesign, the funneling, and all the damn mountains. We already had a mountain map, a tundra map, and a desert map. Now we have desert and a temperate mountain and a cold mountain map.

KesTro · 2013-08-01, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Zadexin

Why are people trying to make this game into something its not. Its a FPS that plays 1000 people per side. This game was always going to be a zergfest until there is a compelling reason NOT to be a zerg fest. It is basic human nature to concentrate maximum firepower on any target. Sure you can use flowery language all you want to say that good tactics are better than the zerg. Tell that to the WW2 Germans. Just remember, PS2 is a land war in Asia.

Thing is, what people want it to be it already was before they introduced the lattice. Maybe in the long run the lattice will shine but for the time being I feel like we've lost more with the lattice than we gained until they add everything that's supposed to go with the lattice.

*Edit*: Not to say that 'everyone' wants the same thing.

NewSith · 2013-07-31, 06:07 PM

@Stew, you are incorrect. After 4 years of PlanetSide 1, all my time in PS2, and some enormous time spent in MP FPS and RTS genres, I'm absolutely sure about my definition of the word "zerg" in PlanetSide.

But since our opinions differ in the very roots, I suggest to agree to disagree.

BlaxicanX · 2013-07-31, 06:13 PM

The problem with the "definitions" is that there's a difference between "zerg" and "zerg rush". Stew is correct in his definition of Zerg Rush, but, no one refers to zergs in PS2 as "Zerg rushes", they're just "zergs".

Zerg, by itself, is just a reference to the race in Starcraft that is iconic for being big and swarmy. That's it. When you say Zerg you're saying nothing more than "a big mindless swarm of players".

So, yeah.

Maidere · 2013-08-01, 05:01 AM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=zerg+rush

A term used for a swarming attack, and/or winning a battle by throwing bodies and outnumbering an opponent.

This term was derived off of a video game called Starcraft which had a tactic where you are able to rush opponents by mass producing zergs and rushing them

Stew, you probably are not very familiar with Zerg in SC and don't know that it's a macro race.

Stew · 2013-08-01, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Maidere

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=zerg+rush

Stew, you probably are not very familiar with Zerg in SC and don't know that it's a macro race.

Taken from your very sources

zerg rush

The battle tactic when an immense group of poorly equiped or low -level players/minions/characters swarms a much smaller group of well-defended/high-level characters/players and defeats with sheer numbers.
Originated from the game StarCraft, in which if timed correctly you could send a dozen zerglings (lowest-level soldier avalible) into the enemy's base before they could make defenses. Spread to include any battle tactic that involved massive amounts of zerglings to overwhelm the enemy's defense.

This is exactly what happen when a VS matherson or Enclave Zergs come to take a bases they take as much troop as they can drop into the ennemy base before anyones can make any proper defense ...

Spread to include any battle tactic that involved massive amounts of zerglings to overwhelm the enemy's defense

thats it , their is no others ( Selfmade ) BS mystical way to describe a Zerg rush if you dont understand the definition and why you call this or that a zergs or if you missinterpret the signification , it dosent create a New signification that become valid just because someones beleive in it and spread this non sens

The term Zerg rush have a meaning , an origin and when you use this term to describe something it as to have the same meaning for everyones and everyones who use this word or concept as to be familiarised with its origine

diLLa · 2013-08-01, 07:16 AM

Zerg rush =/= Zerg, that's where it goes wrong.

Zerg = A race in Starcraft that's mostly about quanitity over quality, which means that they usually outnumber the opponents. Zerglings are the prime example of it, which you produce two at a time in the game. The Zerg as a term to be used in other games is mostly based on this definition, which means that zerging the opponent means using bigger numbers to accomplish the tasks.

Stew's definition of a zerg, is actually a 'Zerg Rush'

Zerg(ling) Rush = An early strategy where you produce spawning pool relatively early (which you need to produce zerlings) and invest all your money and larvae into producing zerglings to attack the opponent at an early time to end the game quickly when the opponent is not yet prepared. This strategy doesn't really have any value outside of Starcraft itself, as it is a specific strategy that only works in the game. However, you could say that the strategies some outfits utilise, in where they drop multiple squads in a (yet) undefended base resembles a bit to this strategy.

The definition of 'Zerg' however should always be the first definition though, which just basically means outnumbering the opponent by throwing more and more bodies at it.

Canaris · 2013-08-01, 07:41 AM

I say it high time for a new term to take over from "zerg" as it become to convoluted and main stream, so from here on out when referring to throwing large numbers heedlessly at an enemy it shall be now known as "The Zapp Doctrine" or TZD for short

failure to use this term will be a catapultable offence. You have been warned!

Dragonskin · 2013-08-01, 08:16 AM

Personally I like the phase "Blob Warfare" better. Just a giant blob of people covering an area and all trying to get the same kill.

I've never been one to call large outfits zergfits. The large outfits I have been in purposely try to avoid sending all their forces to one base because it is a waste of resources/man power and time. It still occasionally happens, but it usually wasn't the goal.

Getting the blob to split up is a hard thing to do. People like the path of least resistance and unfortunately following the blob yields exp from base capping if nothing else. Don't even have to worry about being killed. Actually on my TR I even tend to do that if my outfit isn't running. Just follow the zerg and use my Striker to tag vehicles for assist exp... kill the occasional enemy that the zerg didn't catch. Easy game session that doesn't take any skill or thought process. Can't say it is as fun as actually participating in a squad with a goal, but at least you can feel productive even though you didn't actually do much... which is the reason so many people do it.

Why throw yourself at the enemy when you can possibly die and get out played when you can follow the zerg and get decent exp with minimal risk?

I think that is a problem, but human nature. Especially when you still have KDR and SPM as stats that matter to a lot of people even though they can be so skewed now that they are worthless. Following a zerg will usually net you a revive which means you will have less deaths on your KDR. If you follow a squad that tries to tackle their own objectives there is a bigger chance that you won't get that revive if your squad is slaughtered.

Figment · 2013-08-01, 01:16 PM

The only thing I wonder is if all the links are proper. The lattice on Esamir is a rather long line with very few circumvention routes. Three more links might actually benefit the flow without endangering the lattice effect.