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2012-05-23, 07:55 AM | [Ignore Me] #1 | |||
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2012-05-23, 08:09 AM | [Ignore Me] #2 | ||
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If I say this sounds like:
"It's 'n aezheist, communnist, black, Un'on babykillin' conspihrazzee againsht teh South to make us all gay, y'hear? Y'all better be voatin' againsht gay miirriiuge!!11!!twelve" Would I be far off? Or did I get the accent wrong? :x |
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2012-05-23, 08:12 AM | [Ignore Me] #3 | ||
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What I think we're seeing here, with the sudden in-your-face nature of hardline religiosity in this country, especially when it comes to the homophobic stuff, is the terminal insecurity of the religious establishment. The ranks of the nonreligious (not to be confused with atheists; these are just people who claim to have no religion) have been swelling so fast that one writer, whose name escapes me, declared the nonreligious as 'the fastest-growing religion in America'.
The gentle-jesus-meek-and-mild moderates tend not to care, but for those to whom this stuff is the nectar of life, that is very scary. More and more, people are realizing that the dogmatically religious, who have more or less controlled society since time immemorial, are assailable. The religious establishment is realizing how tenuous their grip is and they are fighting back in the mad, backed-into-a-corner flailing you see here. Hardline religion is Tony Montana, standing on the balcony screaming "I'm the king! you can't kill me! I'm the best!" even as bullets tear him apart. They don't really have any other recourse. There's no real solid evidence they can provide that a) their god claims are legit, or b) that there is, in fact, anything wrong with homosexuals. So they just start swinging for the fences, because they don't seem to have much hope in winning the long game; the zeitgeist is leaving them behind and damned if they won't cause a ruckus while they still have a chance to be relevant. In my opinion, the best recourse to stuff like that is bemused silence. They need to understand that statements like that simply have no place in this world. He should garner the same attention he would if he were declaring ******* to be a menace because they put hexes on people, or demanding that people suspect old ladies who live alone with a lot of cats to be practitioners of witchcraft. It's just mad babbling from a bygone era, and deserves only crickets and nervous, distant coughs as answer. |
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2012-05-23, 10:17 AM | [Ignore Me] #4 | ||
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Couldn't care less. There are millions of idiots who talk about shit like this, putting it in the news just perpetuates the cycle of hate.
"Oh look, some old racist KKK homophobic pastor in some town no ones ever heard of is talking about putting all the gays in concentration camps. Let's take that guy seriously and blame all religious belief for this type of behaviour." Disclaimer: Not directed at anyone here.
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2012-05-23, 12:49 PM | [Ignore Me] #5 | |||
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2012-05-23, 01:48 PM | [Ignore Me] #6 | |||
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It being on the news is the best thing to happen in this case, let the light of society shine on this cockroach and see him scuttle off in shame. |
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2012-05-23, 02:21 PM | [Ignore Me] #7 | ||||
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2012-05-23, 02:29 PM | [Ignore Me] #8 | |||
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Why do people keep seeing this as a clever thing to say? Its a moronic catch all argument designed to censor anything the poster does not like. Don't like people having conversations about stuff you have no interest in? Go catch a flight to Somalia and bring a hoe. |
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2012-05-23, 02:36 PM | [Ignore Me] #9 | |||
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... Hey wait a second. Who put this man-shaped pile of straw in my seat? Rude. *kick* What I'm saying is that people like him have an audience because the 'harmless' religious moderates give him a stage and an unassailable legitimacy. You can call him crazy all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that he is being biblically accurate, and for as long as the bible is given any kind of authority in our society, we will have guys like him to look forward to. Now the problem, from a practical standpoint, aren't guys like him. Oh, no. It's the people sitting in the pews, listening to him, and quietly nodding their heads. And then those people go out and vote. And the constitution gets amended to criminalize homosexuals. And where do religious moderates come in? Well, if you try to attack that guy's credibility; I mean, really attack it, at the root, you have to go at the credibility of the bible, because that's where he's getting it from. And then you're in a world of hurt, because all those smiling, gentle moderates will suddenly stop being quite as supportive of you as you might have originally thought. |
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2012-05-23, 02:57 PM | [Ignore Me] #10 | |||
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DISCLAIMER: Some of what I've said below is extreme in its own right, I invoke the names of incredibly bad groups to make a point. You can switch any of the examples out for quite a number of other examples that have appeared throughout history around the world, I do NOT mean to suggest that any religion is currently akin to the two prominently named below, only that they aren't doing any favors for their perception. If you are inable to handle these examples, there is nothing I can do for you. Many examples can be cited throughout history from scientists being persecuted by the catholic church in the 15-1600s to the persecution of other groups throughout the last couple of centuries.
Interestingly, this kind of bigotry makes the argument of the larger anti-gay movement less and less relevant. This pastor is actually hurting his own cause in the same way that the KKK and Nazi's hurt their cause for segregation years ago. It ended up working against them, historically and its the same kind of thing here. Its kind of interesting to watch history repeat itself, if you understand what it is that you're actually looking at.
Being accurate to the bible in this case is actually marginalizing the religious argument to the point of being irrelevant. Its extremism in the same way that the KKK or Nazi's or any other group are extremists, and it never helps their cause. It only provides another argument against them to whatever movement they oppose, be it equal marriage rights, or civil rights activists in the past or the jewish community in WW2. This is rooted in basic human psychology, because now Gay people have one more person to hold up as being a bigot that just wants to hurt them all. Meanwhile, he has done exactly nothing except give everyone else another reason to agree with gay people, because the view is that they are being persecuted by religious extremists in the same way other groups have been persecuted in the past. If religious people wanted to do serious harm to the gay movement, they'd simply not pay attention and not give people reasons to agree with them. They can't, however, because too many are filled with fear and hate, and don't know what else to do with that energy. If religious extremists continue, they will in turn be persecuted in the same way the KKK or Nazi's were after the civil rights movement and world war two. Its sad, because the foundation of any religion is exactly the opposite of what they are facing being looked at as. The larger community of religious types however, are too filled with hate and fear, and they will bring the rest of it crashing down. Last edited by p0intman; 2012-05-23 at 03:21 PM. |
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2012-05-23, 03:34 PM | [Ignore Me] #11 | |||
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You're just a troll. |
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2012-05-23, 04:36 PM | [Ignore Me] #13 | |||
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2012-05-23, 04:48 PM | [Ignore Me] #14 | ||
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Either that has to do with:
1. The AA vs aircav debate where certain aircav users think I was going to nerf them (instead of balance them better with nerfs (Wasp/Wall Tower AA) and buffs (lock on time Sparrow, slightly better Flaklet) to different forms of AA and remove one form of AA (driver BFR AA) and replace it by another (two crew AA heavy tank) and suggesting a pilot suit that was more in line with Standard inventory size). And still being butthurt over that. OR. 2. It has to do with a thread where some VS were bragging about resecuring back and forth by ping-ponging with a concentrated force of aircavs against a significantly larger, but spread out and pinned down by 15 min CC timers populace of people (trying to hold bases on two opposing sides of the continent and within a base having to hold outside (defend AMS from a group of Reavers/Mossies and Expert Hackers) and inside (CC and or base entrances and spawns)). Meaning that their opposition, unlike them, had fewer to hold the CC than they made it sound (for 15 mins), especially with the sorry state the game is in. While they just needed to get 15 seconds alone with the CC each time with (as I complimented them on) an individual better and as a group more organised bunch of people. Meanwhile they were pretending to take on 70% pop at once, rather than just the fraction of the split pop that was present at each base and along the route to the CC, where it was insisted they took on 70% at once... I mean, clearly all those 70% of pop was concentrated next to both CCs at once... I was supposedly "downplaying the achievement", I belief they said... to "safe face" (even though I had not played for three months and had not actually been there and pointed out that attacking the other side of the continent is even with an overal larger pop hard to defend, especially against an aircav unit and the state the game was in...), rather than analysing what actually happened and correcting some people making a rather inaccurate claim... I never said it wasn't a fine achievement, just not as special as they made it sound. Still, I find it funny he's still a bit butthurt over it. He does have quite the ego though (obvious enough from his responses here) and that's fine IMO, as long as you're being realistic and fair. Last edited by Figment; 2012-05-23 at 04:53 PM. |
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2012-05-23, 06:48 PM | [Ignore Me] #15 | |||
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Still, neither of us are as narcissistic as PlanetSide's Belgians! |
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