Science vs Religion

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Originally Posted by Sirisian

It doesn't bother you in the slightest that he designed humans in such a way that they could falter.

Actually, God created man and angels perfect. "Perfect" however does not mean "incapable of sinning."

Ezekiel 28: (speaking of Lucifer, later renamed Satan)
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Lucifer was created perfect. This means flawless. God cannot be faulted for the sins of those he creates who are perfect. The choices, as ever, belong to us. Personal responsibility for sin is something that applies to all adults and all of the angelic race or races.

Hebrews 4: (speaking of Jesus)
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus was perfect. He was tempted. He did not sin. The fact that he was tempted means he was capable of faltering. However, he did not falter, fail, or sin.

Originally Posted by Sirisian

Free will or not, the god most Christians relate to is omniscient making him capable of seeing his own doing. Your analogy of bombing a place and not checking if there are innocents is erroneous.

Again, and again, and again, you willfully forget that it is free will that decides how this world is now. God creating man with the ability to choose does not make God responsible for them sinning.

God gave us the Word of God, and it shows how to conduct yourself as an individual and in any group of any size. I'm not trying to get you to believe it. I don't care what you believe. I'm just telling you what I believe, and why. For you to say everything is God's fault because someone raped your dog, or whatever your pet peeve is, is erroneous. Everyone has choices. Most people's choices are under the auspices of Satan, who is the god of this world, and not directed by the Word of God.

In order for there to be a race of man, some of those, actually, the vast majority, in this present age, can be expected to be criminals, sinners, and evil. Since God delegates choice, he knew there would be people who choose him, and people who use whatever excuse they want to ignore him, actively fight him, kill his followers, etc.

But, just because some people will choose evil doesn't mean God is going to not have a human race. Why deprive me of a life just because someone like you doesn't want God? You will have your reward soon enough, and so will I.

God wasn't going to let the fact that some of the angels were going to rebel against him prevent him from having angels. He just prepared eternal fire for them, and, as it turns out, men who followed Satan, a fallen angel, will reside in the same place.

Beings that were going to be rebellious and evil wasn't and isn't going to prevent God from having a family that he has created any more than knowing people are going to use the internet for child pornography (that's considered evil, by the way) prevents man from building and expanding the internet.