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View Poll Results: What do you identify yourself as? | |||
Atheist/Skeptic/Agnostic |
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151 | 70.89% |
Catholic |
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21 | 9.86% |
Protestant |
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24 | 11.27% |
Jewish |
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5 | 2.35% |
Muslim |
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2 | 0.94% |
Philisophy (Such as Buddhism) |
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10 | 4.69% |
Voters: 213. You may not vote on this poll |
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[Ignore Me] #451 | ||
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Just my 2 cents:
A few problems with attempting to literally interpret some of the sayings or stories in holy scriptures would be that they are:
Most religions (Aside from pantheons, which are often made simply to explain the inexplicable and to entertain) often have good values and morals. From Christianity and hell to Buddhism and Karma, most generally lay down some basic laws for civilization and give some incentive to follow them. The problems arise when it comes to interpretation. As you might imagine, supposed "Christians" howling bloody murder and waving picket signs at people aren't exactly showing compassion, understanding or forgiveness (Essentially what it is based on, what with the sacrifice of jesus and all) and are likely following an interpretation that their local preacher decided to instill. I knew an interpreter in Iraq who confided in me his frustration with people who killed in the name of Allah, considering nowhere in the Koran (Qua'ran?) does it justify killing anyone (It's pretty close to the old testimate actually). But then, many recruits are illiterate and have only their Imam (holy man, local priest basically) to receive their religious education from. And his agenda to endure. So maybe not so much 2 cents as a few thousand, but despite formerly being a christian myself, I believe all religions are valid and often have positive influences or potential, if not for human nature. (*In some country that I can't quite recall after Spain had brought the potato to Europe, the king of said fiefdom ordered that his farmers start to grow potatoes [Considering they were at war, and marching armies would burn or trample wheat or other crops, but potatos could remain growing and unharmed]. The stigma at the time however was that the plant was mostly for animal feed, so most people ignored his suggestion, despite the logic of it. He even went so far as to dispatch cooks with recepies for potatoes to various farms as a further incentive, but again, no one listened. So then he ordered that anyone not growing potatoes would have their ears cut off. Potatoes became pretty wildly popular after that. The idea here being that people can be wildly ignorant and stupid to the point of having some knowledge crammed down their throats by force being a good thing some times.) Last edited by Kriegson; 2012-03-29 at 11:18 PM. |
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[Ignore Me] #452 | ||
People have been writing the same general laws for themselves and their societies since societies were a thing. "Don't murder people." "Do unto others..." This doesn't say anything about all religions being good and valid, it says that people are inherently good and have an intrinsic morality that necessarily influences the religions they invent for themselves. Religion is nothing more than humanity's first attempt at philosophy. An attempt to explain concepts and ideas and principles they didn't have Aristotle, or Hume, or Spinoza to reflect upon. But, we have since outgrown it. We don't need religion to tell us how to live our lives. And saying they're equally valid? Not even a religious person would agree with you there.
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[Ignore Me] #453 | |||
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[Ignore Me] #454 | ||
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First of all, the Hadith is as respected and holy as the Qu'ran and I think if you read both, you'll be spoiled for choice to find passages encouraging you to exterminate non-muslims.
Anyway. You mention that there is a 'problem with interpreting the holy books literally' because blah blah blah. Irrelevant. All of the authority these religions claim is that the books are the word of god and are perfect. There are no errors. If there were so much as a single error, it calls the entire document into question. The holy books cannot be written by men, because men err. They were dictated by god, and so every letter and punctuation mark are divine and perfect. The religion simply does not work otherwise. So reading the books literally is only a problem for religious people, because it clearly demonstrates that the books were written by bronze-age humans, and not by any divine source, which destroys their credibility. The fact that the holy books contain fairly obvious things that are positive (and some of those things are only kinda-positive. The original commandment against killing, for example, was specifically a commandment against killing ****; God is all about killing non-****) does not excuse them for being guidebooks to pretty shitty behavior. Here's a fun game: pick up a bible, read it cover to cover, and pick out every single passage that deals with slavery. Rank them as either pro or anti-slavery. New and old testament. If you don't have time, I'll spoil the ending for you: The bible endorses slavery, and nowhere does it come out against it. Not even Jesus. The only prohibition against slavery I'm aware of is a prohibition against owning Jewish slaves... longer than seven years or whatever. You'd think a book written by a kind and loving and perfect god would be at least on par with our morality re: one of the most terrible crimes ever committed from one human to the other; owning them as property. But it doesn't. |
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[Ignore Me] #455 | ||
Sergeant Major
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Why is agnostic and atheist on the same selection, it makes no sense?
You are a Theist, or not, if you're unsure, then you're a Theist. same goes to Gay/Straight, there is no "BI" if you like the same sex, even if you like the opposite, you're still gay, you're just a gay that likes to diversify.
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[Ignore Me] #456 | |||
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[Ignore Me] #457 | ||
Sergeant Major
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How is "No, I do not believe in god" and "ummmm I dunno" not work out in your head?
Any Agnostic will believe in god right when they are about to die, A true Atheist won't. So Atheist and Agnostic, should NOT be in the same selection. DISCUSS THIS PLEASE. My views on these topics ARE black and white, not black/GREY/white.
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[Ignore Me] #458 | |||
Colonel
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[Ignore Me] #459 | ||
Second Lieutenant
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The analogy doesn't work because bisexuality is not a transitional stage between hetero and homosexuality. It's a state all on its own, where you are attracted to both sexes.
To draw a straight line between the two, you'd have to both believe and NOT believe in a god. That is not the case. Agnosts believe in 'something', but claim that it is unknowable, or has not been defined yet. Atheism is the complete rejection of the god claim. |
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Major General
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http://www.bible-researcher.com/slavery.html |
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[Ignore Me] #465 | |||
Second Lieutenant
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