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Atheist/Skeptic/Agnostic | 151 | 70.89% | |
Catholic | 21 | 9.86% | |
Protestant | 24 | 11.27% | |
Jewish | 5 | 2.35% | |
Muslim | 2 | 0.94% | |
Philisophy (Such as Buddhism) | 10 | 4.69% | |
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2012-03-31, 08:00 PM | [Ignore Me] #481 | |||
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2012-03-31, 09:43 PM | [Ignore Me] #482 | ||
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Pretty good posts in here, but Itsthesheppy has made the best in my opinion.
Whether there is a God or not is an endless debate. It cannot be proven or unproven. The problem is that once you've defined a God as a being outside of time and space, you can attribute all these other values to it based on some book that claims to represent its will. That's where it goes wrong. I wouldn't have any issues with a being like that existing. What I have a problem with is when people pretend to understand what this being would want us to do, as if they're somehow more capable of understanding despite the fact that they tend to deny all rational evidence of the contrary. So in the end I think it wouldn't even matter if God existed or not. How to live our lives, morality, is undoubtedly something God would want us to figure out for ourselves. |
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2012-04-01, 05:49 AM | [Ignore Me] #483 | ||
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Indeed, only 6000 crucifictions along the Via Appia... Does not sound tyrranical to me. Nor does enslaving any conquered race, or having slave gladiator battles. Nor selling slaves as cattle. Nor using slaves as concubines, or hard, cheap labour or galley crews.
No reason I can think of why a religion that preaches some sort of equality could spread fast among the lower classes either... Because you know, Roman upper class existed out of sweet, old elderly ladies. |
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2012-04-01, 07:18 AM | [Ignore Me] #484 | ||||
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2012-04-02, 01:45 AM | [Ignore Me] #485 | |||
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2012-04-02, 09:39 AM | [Ignore Me] #487 | ||
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Which itself was translated, and re-translated, and copied, and transcribed, and translated again, over and over. Take any sentence and run it through google translate enough times, and hilarity is the inevitable product.
Anyway, if you ever need a perfect example of Poe's Law, all you need to do is read these posts of people defending bible-sponsored slavery as being 'not that bad'. Not sure if christian, or trolling. |
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2012-04-02, 09:51 AM | [Ignore Me] #488 | |||
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You assume that slavery was always something that was undesirable and "bad" in culture. Take the Romans for instance: Slavery was seen as desirable...especially if you were hooked up with a family like the Julii because that meant that once you were given your freedom you would be looked upon as part of the Julii family...a very wealthy family in Roman history. Slavery was seen as a way to earn your way through Roman society without having been born into the aristocracy. Also, as a sidenote: The image of the Southern slave owner being an evil mean brute is inaccurate. Most slave owners taught their slaves how to read, housed them, fed them VERY well. Now besides the obvious fact that slavery is fundamentally wrong...I'm not arguing that point because everyone deserves the freedom to choose their own path in life....what else are you arguing here? In a related story....I was born and raised in Tennessee. My wife is from Watertown, New York...almost near Canada. We were talking one night...and she told me that...in the North....they teach that the civil war was started over slavery and that Abraham Lincoln wanted the "slaves to be free." I laughed so hard I thought I was going to pass the fuck out. The war was fought over Southern independence, not over slavery. Lincoln said repeatedly the war was not being fought over slavery. In August 1862, over a year after the war started, Lincoln wrote an open letter to a prominent Republican abolitionist, Horace Greeley, in which he said he did not agree with those who would only “save” the Union if they could destroy slavery at the same time. Lincoln added that if he could “save” the Union without freeing a single slave, he would do so (Letter to Horace Greeley, August 22, 1862, published in the New York Tribune). Lincoln added that if he could “save” the Union without freeing a single slave, he would do so. The Civil War was fought over the cotton trade. Namely: The South was getting rich off of their cotton sales to other countries....the North had a failing industrial complex....they wanted more taxes from the South....the South said get fucked....and the war began. Don't get the shit twisted anymore....Lincoln gave two shits about slaves. |
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2012-04-02, 09:57 AM | [Ignore Me] #489 | ||
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Also...as a sidenote:
A Confederate soldier who was captured early in the war expressed the South’s reason for fighting in simple yet eloquent terms. He wore a ragged homemade uniform, and like most other Southerners he didn’t own any slaves. When his Union captors asked him why he was fighting for the Confederacy, he replied, “I’m fighting because you’re down here” (McPherson, The Battle Cry of Freedom, p. 311, emphasis added). Sorry...I love the Civil War historically and had to share that. |
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2012-04-02, 10:01 AM | [Ignore Me] #490 | ||
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Poe's Law, dude. You're it's poster child.
You're either trolling, and trolling deep, or you mean every word of what you're saying. I have honestly no idea which it is. I am not joking, nor am I exaggerating to make a point. I literally have no clue which it is. Well done, there. I suppose it doesn't matter. If you're trolling there's no point in feeding you. If you're not, you are so far removed from what I would consider an even passably moral person that I can't really see any profit in talking to you. So that's that. |
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2012-04-02, 10:41 AM | [Ignore Me] #491 | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confede...merica#History
Check causes of secession, though there are multiple, slavery was the main thing. The CSA's leaders have always hammered down the idea of non-equality. The only cotton tax related articles I could find on an initial search, indicated it was the CSA itself who raised cotton taxes in 1861 to get more money for the war effort. http://www.civilwarhome.com/kingcotton.htm |
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2012-04-02, 11:28 AM | [Ignore Me] #492 | |||
You're either misinformed, delusional, or young enough to have been taught the revised gloss-over that history courses have been teaching for the last 10-15 years. I'm in my mid-30s and my high school course in the early 90s didn't really cover how bad it was, because A) it was the South and B) we had from September to May to cover all of US history. My family was a slave-owning family. It wasn't until after I was well out of college, when I assisted my aunt on a documentary of slavery up to the mid-18th century, that I started learning just how horrifyingly and profoundly cruel it was. Whilst most of the slave owners were not terribly cruel, most of them were not the benevolent types that you would like to portray. |
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2012-04-02, 01:42 PM | [Ignore Me] #493 | |||
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Sidenote: I know you're from New Hampshire...which is why I'm not suprised. Most people in the New England corridor have this "I'm smarter than everyone else" attitude. *Shrug* Oh well. |
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2012-04-02, 02:28 PM | [Ignore Me] #494 | |||
This sharply divided the nation as a whole and political elements within the House. The result was the creation of a new party -- the Republican Party -- which was comprised of pro-freedom elements from various other parties (Whigs, Democrats, Know-Nothings, etc). The result for Kansas and Nebraska was that they would be free states, and as a result the South was basically pushed beyond the tipping point. They felt that their interests in the representative democracy, where a vast gulf divides slave and free state interests, would now be forever pointed against them as the number of free states grew. During the actual war, though, it's certainly true that slavery was not what the North was fighting for. In fact, during Lincoln's re-election in 1864, his Democrat opponents attempted to use that idea against Lincoln, arguing that his real motives were to free the slaves and make them equal to white people, which was a very unpopular idea at the time. Slavery wasn't really the issue, but at the same time, it was the whole issue. It was, as Confederate-apologists will tell you, about State Rights... only in this case, it was the right to own slaves. It is interesting that some might have the mistaken notion that the cause of the Civil War was taxes, though. These days, I imagine that bit of fiction rings very true for a lot of the "Tea Party" types. That taxes brought the nation to war with itself before and, by jingo, if that Kenyan Mooslim Obongo raises my taxes to kill my grandma with death panels once more it'll be Civil War Part Two! Last edited by Warborn; 2012-04-02 at 02:33 PM. |
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2012-04-06, 12:16 AM | [Ignore Me] #495 | |||
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At any rate, it was state's right, not taxes, for the Civil War, I agree. State's rights are what those that would like a more centralized government fight against.. and when you do that, you are fighting US citizens. Some reading: http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/ Last edited by AnamNantom; 2012-04-06 at 12:19 AM. |
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