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Atheist/Skeptic/Agnostic | 151 | 70.89% | |
Catholic | 21 | 9.86% | |
Protestant | 24 | 11.27% | |
Jewish | 5 | 2.35% | |
Muslim | 2 | 0.94% | |
Philisophy (Such as Buddhism) | 10 | 4.69% | |
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2012-04-08, 11:16 PM | [Ignore Me] #511 | |||||
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2012-04-09, 01:28 AM | [Ignore Me] #512 | ||
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Duke, I can tell you one thing: history is NOT behind you, since you make it up as you go. You seem to reason like an anti-intellectual, which quite frankly, is a dumb position to hold, pun intended. You don't think you have to be right in a debate and back up anything you say, you just feel right, so then you must be right, right? No, that is not how things work in a debate.
To the poster defending Duke, the point he and you try to make are both based on self-deluding circle argumentation and wishful thinking. Try to understand that some of us prefer to face reality than to Memento Mori and waste our lives in hope of some none existing afterlife. You say it is that simple, to just believe. Is it then so hard to provide any reason to do so? Consistency with facts. Consistency with itself. Consistency with observations? None of those goes, so why would anyone aside from those unable to accept death have any reason to believe? |
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2012-04-09, 01:40 AM | [Ignore Me] #513 | ||||||
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Also, because people who believe like you try to use that ancient text to dictate my life, dictate the sciences, dictate laws, etc.
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2012-04-09, 05:55 AM | [Ignore Me] #514 | |||||
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ZOMG HOW EVIL OF US. D:
For instance, there was one who made for some interesting debate - though requiring the logic of circle argumentation as starting point ("there is a god, [...], therefore there is a god") and prefered the concept of Intelligent Design. That's his to believe, of course in the actual debate, the concept of ID itself was consistently under fire, as were other things. Note, it went as deep as trying to find alternative explanations to the walls of Jericho (Jericho actually lies on a natural fault line, much like San Francisco). He however, was critical and did not dismiss our arguments off hand. He was willing to debate, look at both sides and bring up a large amount of source materials he uses as reference. The only thing was that he still used induction as a primary method of reasoning and never dismissed the chance that a divine entity used natural forces to make stuff happen. Of course we had to disagree. But for instance, he admitted he could not deduce Christianity or any other faith from scratch using just observations of the natural world. However, he argued that everything he observed, fitted with his frame of reference if he started with the starting point of a god. There are people in this thread who'd not be willing to admit to anything. In the end, we still respectfully disagreed as he based his faith on "personal experience" which we could not hold up for scrutiny since he would not share it and if he had, we'd not be able to verify it. But overal the debate was much more intellectual and satisfying and basically all the big topics were handled. The point of the debate is not to convert, but to exchange ideas and hold things up for scrutiny. Unfortunately for the religious, they are usualy pushed into the defense without much ammunition for rebutal. Mind, Christianity is often the center point of debate due to the amount of Christians on Western internet sites (especially the evangelicals), but we also debated Sumerian mythology, Norse, Greek, pagan American and Indian religions. If only religions had more fact based and could use natural observations to their advantage... Duke's posts though seem the ramblings of a drunk man, not a philosopher, or someone willing to at least be open to alternative interpretations and being able to admit he might be wrong. Last edited by Figment; 2012-04-09 at 08:59 AM. |
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2012-04-09, 07:20 PM | [Ignore Me] #518 | |||
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And? Do you think you're the only one? Most people go through hell at some point in their lives (I'm assuming you're speaking metaphorically), and I'm willing to bet there's plenty of people who have a far worse hell than yours. |
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2012-04-09, 08:04 PM | [Ignore Me] #519 | ||
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Guys, guys. There's only one person who went through hell: Dante.
Well okay, him and Hercules. And Odysseus. And Persephone. And Guybrush Threepwood, well, pirate hell in Tales of Monkey Island™ 5-5... I'm sure I forgot a few billion who gone through hell on earth, how inconsiderate of me. Luckily I'm a sociopath for regretting to never be able to talk to and hold loved ones ever again and accepting that life also has its shortcomings. To make an understatement. But surely the only logical thing to do is not honour their memory, while moving on, as difficult as it is and instead pretend they are not gone at all, but frolicking about in some sort of geriatric heaven or hospital where they treat cancers and reattach limbs, especially if they got under a train. Oh wait, they are almost always in their prime in heaven, not? You'd almost think that sounds to good to be true. Want me to go on? I got some more nifty Reaping and ressurection cynicisms where those came from... Last edited by Figment; 2012-04-09 at 08:05 PM. |
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2012-04-10, 09:27 PM | [Ignore Me] #522 | ||
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You know Duke, it's shit like that right there that puts people off it right?
If you don't like what I like, you get damnation. Hell isn't real, it's a tool used by the church and the religious to keep order. Just stop posting man. It's time to stop posting. |
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2012-04-10, 09:48 PM | [Ignore Me] #523 | |||
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Stop posting and wasting our time. |
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2012-04-10, 10:14 PM | [Ignore Me] #524 | ||||
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I don't want to make this a personal attack, but you sound insecure. Like it's more of a hope, than a certainty. I can admit you might be more intelligent than me in a field other than math and computer science if that helps.
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