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View Poll Results: What do you identify yourself as? | |||
Atheist/Skeptic/Agnostic | 151 | 70.89% | |
Catholic | 21 | 9.86% | |
Protestant | 24 | 11.27% | |
Jewish | 5 | 2.35% | |
Muslim | 2 | 0.94% | |
Philisophy (Such as Buddhism) | 10 | 4.69% | |
Voters: 213. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-05-21, 10:10 PM | [Ignore Me] #617 | |||
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Awesome movie. When it first came out a bunch of religious people jumped online because they were offended. You seem to have taken it better.
This can be a big part of it also. Some people are extremely skeptical while others tend to believe things they are told. This can be as simple as reading something in the news. Some people believe whatever they read from one media source. Others get skeptical and will look for secondary sources until they are satisfied. Not sure what causes one or the other.
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2012-05-21, 11:38 PM | [Ignore Me] #618 | |||
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To take this out of context for a second, this is part of a long philosophical debate of is ignorance bliss which is too long to go into here. But this is a nice article on the subject. Keeping people ignorant to protect what they can't understand or what might hurt them emotionally to know. Very broad ideas. I don't have time to go into it, but you realize free will is simply just a random word to describe a concept that someone thought about right? Commenting "we have free will" or "we don't have free will" is a pointless exercise in futility. You're using it right now to replace the word "apathy" or the state of not caring.
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2012-05-22, 06:33 AM | [Ignore Me] #619 | |||
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Also Duke, if science/tech is constantly wrong, can I have your computer? Don't think you need it anymore since its so flawed and unholy. |
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2012-05-22, 07:47 AM | [Ignore Me] #620 | ||
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And here we see, I think, the true problem with 'moderate' religions, and why even the gentle-jesus-meek-and-mild form of religion needs to go away. It poisons minds.
Here is Duke, who has more or less yielded the floor. He cannot defend his position; every time he tries to, the cold logical deconstruction of his points leaves him with no recourse. He cannot answer the calls for evidence, he cannot explain the logical fallacies, or the rest. But he's poisoned. He cannot accept that he lives in a world where religion is wrong, and freely ignores all information and evidence that challenges those beliefs. It is brainwashing and you need look no further than his posts to see just how powerful and, at least for me, scary it is. Here is a man who has lost the ability to think for himself, and the saddest thing is that he's in good company. He represents the majority of humans on this earth. Far from an aberration, he's the standard. This won't change overnight, or in our lifetimes, but this is why it's important to always have these conversations. So that slowly, over time, we draw the poison out of the bloodstream that one day the species may be cured of it. |
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2012-05-22, 07:56 AM | [Ignore Me] #621 | |||
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If you wrote a book, I'd read it for sure. |
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2012-05-22, 08:40 AM | [Ignore Me] #622 | |||
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2012-05-22, 10:10 AM | [Ignore Me] #623 | ||
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If you want to read a really good, very frankly-written book on the subject, I suggest Christopher Hitchens' . When I say religions are poisonous, I am in fact cribbing from Hitchens' work. Highly recommended reading.
I will not write a book because I'm nowhere near smart enough, I'm too lazy, and the world is filled with too many wonderful video games for me to make the time. |
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2012-05-22, 06:33 PM | [Ignore Me] #625 | ||
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I was reading /r/atheism and stumbled across this. This could very well be duke in a few months if he sat down and read that better parts of /r/atheism for a few weeks.
Good point. Probably an ostrich with his head in the ground. </deep>
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2012-05-22, 08:13 PM | [Ignore Me] #627 | ||||
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You think you have free will but people who bind themselves to a specific brand, belief, or perspective and are unwilling to change are merely just slaves controlled by the boundaries they setup in the past that they fear to break because it might destroy what they once used to identify themselves as an individual separate from everyone else.
You use the so-called universal god explained by philosophers and pretend it's the same as yours when it's not. God may not be disprovable but the christian belief can be. Because you're ignorant. |
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2012-05-22, 09:05 PM | [Ignore Me] #629 | |||
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I can't really comment, I don't watch TV, at all. Well we do know about planetside 2 really, it has considerable more evidence then religions do. That being said, not knowing something is not evidence to believe in something. God of the gaps. I have never watched those 3 TV shows, nor do I believe they directly influence anything (that sounds an awful like politicians trying to say video games make kids do violent things). You claim to feel right, but yet, you keep coming back here. Over and over. As if to reaffirm your beliefs for fear of losing them. If your belief is so strong why bother coming back? Most of us have made it abundantly clear we don't believe in your religions fairy tales, some in nicer words then others. No, not everyone is doing it. The majority of the united states is still religious in one form or another. Pure atheist, make up a very small percentage of the population. I realized I was in atheist in grade school, while living in the bible belt. A place where it can be decidedly uncomfortable to be an atheist. Congratz, stand up for what you believe in, even if you don't actually undestand anything about your own religion. Don't expect us to follow along though. If God were actually real. Caring if he would forgive me is alot like caring if Hitler would do the same. I don't care if you believe I'm wrong. Your opinion is just as valid as someone complaining to me about why I don't believe in bigfoot or the chupacabra. You worship a God, who in Genesis, banished (almost typed banned lol) Adam and Eve for eating from the Tree of Knowledge, hence no longer becoming "ignorant" and becoming self aware. So when it comes down to it, you worship ignorance. And then call other people ignorant? I feel sorry that you actually believe the stuff you're saying. As for being stubborn, here's the definition. Having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, esp. in spite of good arguments or reasons. You have yet to provide a good argument or reason, unlike many people in this thread who have tried to show you your own errors. You are the very definition of stubborn as you have stated you will NEVER change your beliefs. Indeed you don't have to prove your faith! You never had to do. Unless you wanted us to believe in your personal delusions that is. By "fighting well" I supposed you mean flailing your arms angrily. You never really had a point just "I believe in God, why don't you?" No one here would try to convince you with fists/force. Who do you think we are? Christians? You think you have free will? Last edited by Effective; 2012-05-22 at 09:07 PM. |
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2012-05-23, 01:04 AM | [Ignore Me] #630 | ||||
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What you "say" is being analyzed more than proving you wrong. I for one have been providing links to help your critical thinking skills. It's a way to see how I look at things in a way. When I'm curious about how I'm wording things or if I'm saying something wrong I often look for articles on the subject to gain a wider perspective. How did you react to the article about the doomsday prophecy people? Any parallels to your life or your way of thinking? You quoted what I said, but did you analyze the article and really think about it? Those are real people with very similar strong held beliefs.
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