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2013-11-05, 01:59 PM | [Ignore Me] #64 | |||
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On topic, I think it's fine to have .75ADS movement modifiers on the Orion/SVA-88. It is a powerful attribute, and I think the game is relatively well balanced around that fact. Sure you could argue for a few tweaks to some LMG's (compare the T32 Bull to the SVA-88) for balance sake, but by no means game-breaking. And I think it's good that the NS weapon has this modifier as well so other factions can access it. Are these class of weapons making the HA overpowered (which is what the OP was getting at)? Nah. HA's are in a pretty good place right now, perhaps a bit too much of a swiss army knife on the ground (pretty good at everything), but I find far more utility and enjoyment out of my medic and LA and infiltrator builds. |
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2013-11-05, 03:19 PM | [Ignore Me] #66 | ||
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I won't say the Orion is OP but to the people saying strafing speed isn't a big deal I have to ask what game have you been playing? Strafing is king.
*Edit* I will say that the VS HA seems to have the lowest buy in of all the factions though. Last edited by KesTro; 2013-11-05 at 03:21 PM. |
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2013-11-05, 03:40 PM | [Ignore Me] #67 | |||
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The Orion is good at close range,meduim/slighly long range, specially with the ADS buff/RoF/Bullet velocity. You should own most people at medium range with all those advantages. An Orion VS will destroy an MCG TR at Medium range or any range where hipfire doesn't work. No HA LMG should have that much power. |
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2013-11-05, 04:34 PM | [Ignore Me] #68 | ||||||
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The thing about the orion is that it has RoF/Bullet Velocity too, their is ZERO disadvantage in head to head scenarios against almost any gun (except Shotgun/Heavy Weapons at super close range)...The Orion has a nice advantage over all other guns at meduim range.
It was about experience, not performance, big difference...I saw that he rarely had any kills at all with the weapons, which obviously means he doesn't have much combat experience. I never even mentioned K/D Ratio or score per minute or any sort of "performance" stat.... Like I said before, I don't say my opinion on Tank vs Tank battles or ESF vs ESF battles because I have no experience in them.
Specially with the ORION, like I been saying it has RoF,33% more strafing speed, fast bullet velocity,ooo yeah a shield for HA.....All that adds up and is a nice advantage over everybody else. Is ridiculous that an HA has .75 speed...on top of all those advantages.
The whole magazine clip thing, sure VS has less bullets but like you said they have quicker reload times. Personally I gotten use to guns with less bullets and I like the fact I can reload much faster...It's not really negative. The problem I have with it is that their isn't Empire Faction Traits in HA. Like I said the Orion weapon has Highest RoF/33% speed buff/Good Bullet Velocity...Their is no HA weapon in the TR side that beats in any of that except bullet velocity but you need to sacrifice RoF...It's just a lot of little advantages which all add up...They are king in head to head battles. So if their was 33% speed buff for the Orion but the RoF was less, then maybe I would understand the whole empire faction traits argument. However looking at the bigger picture, Infantry battle wise, 33% speed buff on HA is just overkill for any other Class going up against them....I mean not only do you have to deal with the Shield/LMG weapons that are amazing in close/Medium distances but now the guy with the shield could out strafe you...Thats a big deal. So in that sense, I think that is really wrong. |
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2013-11-05, 09:48 PM | [Ignore Me] #69 | |||
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The biggest issue with classes going up against heavies is resist shield + nano-weave. A heavy rocking that combo should not loose to any any other class, or any heavy not suited up the same. You take this incredibly strong set up and stick a .75 lmg in their hand, then yes you have a killing machine. However you have to think they will tone down resist shield at some point, and then the speed buff wont be as noticeable as you wont have to land the absurd amount of bullets it takes atm to drop a resist/nano heavy. That would be the root of the problem from my perspective. Also keep in mind that their is suppose to be a weapons balance pass coming up. |
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2013-11-05, 10:45 PM | [Ignore Me] #70 | |||
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No. It isn't game breaking, but I think it still offers a significant advantage - particular in smaller engagements - the advantage being lessened in larger ones by the more likely presence of mass AOE and just lots and lots of rounds. I'd dial it back to .6 and see how things play. |
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2013-11-08, 04:33 PM | [Ignore Me] #71 | |||
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Also it makes the TR HA not unique....VS HA has both ADS Speed buff/High RoF.....TR HA has nothing on them at all. I hope those weapons balance tones down the ADS speed for the LMG's at least. As for Resist Shield, I never use it....I think it might be great if you know u are gonna get into a fight but other wise, I feel the Adrenaline shield is much better because you regen with kills. |
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2013-11-08, 04:46 PM | [Ignore Me] #72 | ||
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Adrenaline shield and Resist shield come down to personal preference. It just depends weather or not you want to completely negate some damage or mitigate a percentage of it. If you want to talk numbers there was a thread a couple of months ago where I 'believe' the outcome was that the resist shield was going to keep you alive longer than the nano or adrenaline shield as long as you're not taking a tank round to the face.
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2013-11-08, 06:33 PM | [Ignore Me] #73 | |||
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Otherwise, if you get shot first before turning on the resist shield, it isn't that good since you have already lost shield/health. Seems it will be good for perfect scenario where you know u are going to fight or a player who is stationary and knows when he is gonna expose himself to getting shot. But for players who rush a lot, like me, who tend to get shot from behind...I feel that it isn't that great, but maybe I should try it out more. I also don't like having it on when you think you are gonna face somebody because I feel slow. |
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