A new Hardcore Mode/Server thread. - Page 2

Bags · 2011-07-24, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

Its alot of extra development time to put in something like that i would think, i would not beleive its as simple as changing some TTK numbers, because that would totally change how the game is played(im aware thats the idea) but they're designing the game and the maps to be played a certain way, you alter kill times it will effect the flow of battle, you will see more camping and stalemates.

not to mention, this is an MMO, TTK's of under 1 second are not excactly friendly when you're hosting such a large number of players with varying pings.

I'm tempted to get a bunch of people together in a tower, weaken everyone so they'll die in 1 - 2 MCG bullets, and have them get mowed down in a second or two by one MCG user to prove to people that COD TTK won't work, at this point.

Senyu · 2011-07-25, 12:05 AM

The only way I would accept multiple servers is if the other had giant bobble heads, lunar gravity. And people dieing caused them to explode with confettie

CutterJohn · 2011-07-24, 09:40 PM

So just straight upping the damage by several hundred % while touching nothing else wouldn't work? Never would have figured that..

Theres a lot of places PS can improve ttks without bringing the bottom end lower. Yeah. HA had a 1s ish ttk at point blank range. And MA had a 20s ttk at 100 yards. One of these things can be greatly improved on without affecting the other.

2coolforu · 2011-07-24, 09:43 PM

Decreasing TTK's below a certain level devalues skill and values connection and latency. From experience of CoD Hardcore matches dying in 1 shot to nearly every gun means that camping is the only way and latency is king.

**Malorn** · 2011-07-25, 12:17 AM

This is a silly thread, implying PS2 won't be hardcore, therefore we need a hardcore mode. Apart from that being utterly ridiculous, it splits the community and it splits the dev resources. Lame and unnecessary. This is bad. PS should be the vision of what the devs want it to be and that is it. If you want more hardcore too bad.

SgtMAD · 2011-07-25, 12:40 AM

a lot of these guys never played when the servers were busy and the fights were hardcore and all over the place.

they are going to be in for a huge shock when some of the old outfits return in full force but with all the inter-outfit bullshit already worked out unlike it was in PS where it took some time to find the right ppl that could work together and a lot of outfits never made it past the first month due to these sorts of problems.

this time around outfits will be pulling vehs and going after the enemy immediately at release and not have that large learning curve in the way

I can't wait to see the reaction

Goku · 2011-07-25, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by HtSgtMAD

a lot of these guys never played when the servers were busy and the fights were hardcore and all over the place.

they are going to be in for a huge shock when some of the old outfits return in full force but with all the inter-outfit bullshit already worked out unlike it was in PS where it took some time to find the right ppl that could work together and a lot of outfits never made it past the first month due to these sorts of problems.

this time around outfits will be pulling vehs and going after the enemy immediately at release and not have that large learning curve in the way

I can't wait to see the reaction

When exactly did you consider the servers busy? Just curious. I started in October of 2004 there was good population in my opinion back then. Though I always wondered even if there was good population I missed out on all the true grand fights PS had during its first year of release. If so I am psyched to see it in its glory even if I am WTF.

**Malorn** · 2011-07-25, 01:00 PM

Should put this into the idea forum and see what happens.

headcrab13 · 2011-07-25, 12:01 PM

Negative, for two reasons:

1) It's hard enough to balance and add content to one game, and you'd essentially be developing two at once.

2) The community would eventually shift more to "New" or "Classic," destroying the opposite mode in the process.

-HC13

CutterJohn · 2011-07-25, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by headcrab13

Negative, for two reasons:

1) It's hard enough to balance and add content to one game, and you'd essentially be developing two at once.

More like 1.1 games, considering literally everything aside from stat files would be identical. Balance is not easy, but its also not a very labor intensive job. There are plenty of quite balanced mods out there that are mostly done by one or two people. Theres several people on this forum I'd feel confident could handle the task of reshaping the combat to a different dynamic.

Originally Posted by headcrab13

2) The community would eventually shift more to "New" or "Classic," destroying the opposite mode in the process.

-HC13

So.. the community as a whole decides which they prefer, and thats supposed to strike one as a bad thing? That would be awesome.

headcrab13 · 2011-07-25, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

More like 1.1 games, considering literally everything aside from stat files would be identical. Balance is not easy, but its also not a very labor intensive job. There are plenty of quite balanced mods out there that are mostly done by one or two people. Theres several people on this forum I'd feel confident could handle the task of reshaping the combat to a different dynamic.

So.. the community as a whole decides which they prefer, and thats supposed to strike one as a bad thing? That would be awesome.

Nah it would definitely be two radically different games, and SOE doesn't exactly have the manpower for that. Maintaining separate stats is one thing, but you'd also have to squash twice as many bugs, and just think of the multitude of small changes that were made in each PS1 patch. With a "classic" mode, you'd almost double the work when patching, as well.

I see your point as far as balancing small mods, but PS1 has an immense number of facets to balance, and the butterfly effect generated by changing one single weapon's damage is a balance nightmare. There's no way you really think one or two guys could balance every aspect of PlanetSide in such a small timeframe.

As far as your comment about letting the community choose between "classic" and "new" servers, I think the devs and most of the community realize that it's time for PS to be overhauled. PS1 is amazing in it's own right, but we're ready for a completely new game that revisits the excellent "universe" of PlanetSide while simultaneously bringing so much more to the table. I am totally psyched about everything that the PS2 team has touched on thus far.

-HC13

Rbstr · 2011-07-25, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by headcrab13

I think the devs and most of the community realize that it's time for PS to be overhauled. PS1 is amazing in it's own right, but we're ready for a completely new game that revisits the excellent "universe" of PlanetSide while simultaneously bringing so much more to the table. I am totally psyched about everything that the PS2 team has touched on thus far.

What forums have you been reading? Including/not including nearly every facet of potential combat mechanics has been argued over. Location-based damage is controversial on these forums!

(I agree with you about the direction things are going being good)

**Malorn** · 2011-07-25, 02:50 PM

Jetpacks are also controversial, for reasons that completely evade me. FFS they were on VS maxes...

headcrab13 · 2011-07-25, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

What forums have you been reading? Including/not including nearly every facet of potential combat mechanics has been argued over. Location-based damage is controversial on these forums!

(I agree with you about the direction things are going being good)

Haha, yep, while there is certainly some heated debate on the forums, I think most people agree that sticking with a "classic" mode (same old TTK, stale gameplay, BFRs) is a bad idea. I was simply stating that it's good to see things moving forward

-HC13

CutterJohn · 2011-07-25, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by headcrab13

but you'd also have to squash twice as many bugs

Literally the only thing that would need to be different are the weapon and vehicle stat files, which are trivial to alter.

I see your point as far as balancing small mods, but PS1 has an immense number of facets to balance, and the butterfly effect generated by changing one single weapon's damage is a balance nightmare. There's no way you really think one or two guys could balance every aspect of PlanetSide in such a small timeframe.

You realize that hardcore mode in bad company 2 is quite popular, and is an extremely simple set of changes. Damage is doubled, no reticle, no minimap. Thats all that is different from the base game. People still like it.

I'd bet you good money that you could take PS, double the damage of all weapons and halve the heal/hack/repair/respawn times, and some players brand new to the game would generally like it, and think the slow game is kinda crap. The balance they will prefer is the balance they are used to. Even if the relationships are imbalanced, they'll accept them to a degree because it is what it is.