Liberators too strong? - Page 4

Electrofreak · 2012-12-23, 06:12 PM

I don't even bother shooting AA at Liberators. Either they'll just retaliate by bombing me, or they'll coast off to repair, return in a few minutes, and then bomb me.

I save my G2A missiles for ESF as I've actually shot 1 or two down before and they actually fly away when locked.

I'd like to know my ratio of ESF kills to the number of G2A missiles I've fired. It'd be a depressing figure, I'm sure.

boogy · 2012-12-24, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Sunrock

If skyguards or buster maxes was the only option to stop Libirators I would agree with you. But as that is not the case your argument is mute.

Besides... Air is the best counter to air have been sad by higby 100 times way can't we just accept that and move on? Or is it that every one here suck at piloting so they need to lobby forward buffing AA?

Originally Posted by Fear The Amish

do you realize how outragious that statement is? the counter for X is X or something that can't even get its turret high enough to shoot X

The solution of countering air with air and tank is just proving the point that this game is no longer a first person shooter, but a vehicle game.
Furthermore, winning airspace with air, just means it's the other sides turn to get air spammed and farmed. There will always be one sides infantry that's being farmed and not having fun.

AThreatToYou · 2012-12-24, 01:16 AM

I think the real problem is MAX units can't effectively deal with liberators at all.

Fear The Amish · 2012-12-24, 10:21 AM

yeah i just kinda said fuck it last few nights and threw our platoon all in libs... not very fun but farmed alot of kills.

Hamma · 2012-12-24, 10:22 AM

Yea liberators went from being slightly useful in beta to just being extremely OP in release.

Fear The Amish · 2012-12-24, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

Yea liberators went from being slightly useful in beta to just being extremely OP in release.

i know hamma... i was just showing off my cool new decal on my Gal and you just haaaaddd to zephyr my ass.

NewSith · 2012-12-24, 10:27 AM

Liberators themselves are fine. You are talking about Liberators with Daltons and Zephyrs mounted.

Shredder doesn't make it OP. If Liberator main body gets a nerf the only thing that was fun for me to do will go. So think carefully what is really OP.

And, hell I wasted good amount of time and effort to get myself proper lib certs. If it gets nerfed now, for no reason, I'm friggin' suing you all. It is obviously a joke, but nevertheless, start seeing the global picture already. You don't nerf lightning armor, because Skyguard weapon is OP, correct?

Fear The Amish · 2012-12-24, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by NewSith

Liberators themselves are fine. You are talking about Liberators with Daltons and Zephyrs mounted.

Shredder doesn't make it OP. If Liberator main body gets a nerf the only thing that was fun for me to do will go. So think carefully what is really OP.

And, hell I wasted good amount of time and effort to get myself proper lib certs. If it gets nerfed now, for no reason, I'm friggin' suing you all. It is obviously a joke, but nevertheless, start seeing the global picture already. You don't nerf lightning armor, because Skyguard weapon is OP, correct?

of course not because skygaurd is crud and needs a buff. You have to remember you base nerf/buffs NOT on somethings basic layout but what it will eventually become.

NewSith · 2012-12-24, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Fear The Amish

of course not because skygaurd is crud and needs a buff. You have to remember you base nerf/buffs NOT on somethings basic layout but what it will eventually become.

Something I said on the official forums quite a while ago:

Originally Posted by NewSith

Feedback:

Lib is awesome right now, it totally feels like a BF3 chopper, that I so much like to fly, when used with Shredder.

Actual Concern:

It would seem that the Lib balance has gotten to the point where we actually have 2 Liberators (mostly due to certifications and vehicle enhancements):

A Bomber that goes deep into the sky and Dalton's the **** out of people.
A BF Helicopter-like vehicle (Libercopter) where you generally stay at mid-altitude and always move around Shreddering people.

The concern is that if you do changes to one type of Liberator, the other one suffers. Actually there is a chain of balance between them, with Libercopter being inferior and Bomber Lib being superior. If you make Libercopter balanced you get an OP Bomber. If you balance the bomber, you get an UP Libercopter.

I urge devs to bear that in mind if they ever decide to do changes to the core Liberator (as in its armor stats, etc), they should also reevaluate the weapons.

On a note totally unrelated - A30 Walker Tailgun is a plain downgrade atm.

Dragonskin · 2012-12-24, 10:45 AM

Dual burster maxs are under rated it seems. Really interested to know what servers you are on where dual burster maxs don't create no-fly zones all the time.

On Mattherson a lot of people have dual burster maxs. I don't care how good you are.. on nights with lots of maxs out you either don't go to heavy contested areas or you don't fly because eventually you will fly over some area with 2 maxs that all of a sudden eat you. Maxs are rarely ever alone.. if there is one there is usually more somewhere close by with engies feeding them ammo like candy for easy certs.

Skyguards might need a buff, but honestly even if they were buffed I doubt people will use them over the current dual burster maxs. Hell I purposely bought the left arm this weekend because they are so easy to kill with... didn't touch the skyguard turret.. no reason to buy it unless maxs become useless.

Fear The Amish · 2012-12-24, 10:51 AM

2 maxs are lunch to a dalton lib most max's just don't fire remember we are talking about armada's of 6-8 libs.... so you need 16-20 maxs to stop that.

NewSith · 2012-12-24, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Fear The Amish

2 maxs are lunch to a dalton lib most max's just don't fire remember we are talking about armada's of 6-8 libs.... so you need 16-20 maxs to stop that.

IMO, they may aswell just remove Dalton and Zepphyr.

Or better - they can make it a Galaxy sidegrade (mounted on a side) and Liberator should get AP, HEAT and HE Shredder instead, with latter having reduced accuracy at long range.

Dragonskin · 2012-12-24, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Fear The Amish

2 maxs are lunch to a dalton lib most max's just don't fire remember we are talking about armada's of 6-8 libs.... so you need 16-20 maxs to stop that.

Sorry, maybe I just picked the right server because it's fairly rare that air is overpowering ground on Mattherson. I see clusters of maxs all the time. Ground totally helps to push the air out.. it's not just a deterant.

Hell last night we actually did a lib event on Esamir. We got a lot of kills sure, but we were far from OP devastating. Eventually we were pushed back to the warpgate by ground forces working with their air. We were pushed back mostly because we didn't have ground forces to help protect our air like NC had. Of course on my server we have The Enclave and Goons so you have 2 massive forces always assaulting you all the time. Maybe if the servers were more balanced like Mattherson you guys would see better fights.

Ghoest9 · 2012-12-24, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

We got a lot of kills sure, but we were far from OP devastating.

No one ever thinks they are overpowered - "Ya we killed a bunch more people than we lost but they didnt count."

NewSith · 2012-12-24, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

No one ever thinks they are overpowered - "Ya we killed a bunch more people than we lost but they didnt count."

Yes, and it is easy to say on the other side "I saw it killing 3 of my guys and then it flew away when I hit it! It's OP!" regardless of this very thing taken out of the sky before it could land to repair.

But anyway, the whole artillery from the sky thing on a Lib is broken, I think everyone knows that, otherwise, Sony wouldn't have so much income from Dalton and Zephyr sales.