Slavery IS Legal in America

Warborn · 2012-05-23, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Frankly, we just hand out prison far, far too readily and for much too long. Prison should be reserved for violent offenders that are a threat to the safety of others ONLY. Murderers, rapists, assault, armed robbery, etc. People that did something bad, but didn't hurt anyone else? Probation only, and if they persist, at worst sent to a penal colony like Bastoy Prison, where they are segregated from society, not treated like animals.

Ah, but you see, these private prisons rely on having a booming population of inmates to make money off of their forced labour and general fees associated with their incarceration. There is a powerful lobby in the US which seeks to keep the War on Drugs and its associated non-violent prison sentences going as long as possible.

Originally Posted by Effective

Now, some punishments can be overly harsh, yes, but depending on what they did to put themselves in prison, I may not honestly care all that much.

Child molesters and people who murder in cold blood should be treated like the animals in my opinion.

Congratulations on having a shit opinion, I guess?

Red Beard · 2012-05-23, 05:39 PM

When they convict someone (for whatever garbage crime they invent next by the way), they put a monetary value on the case on the day of sentencing. They put someone in prison and float bonds on them...this is how you "pay your debt to society" (the law society I think).

Effective · 2012-05-23, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

Congratulations on having a shit opinion, I guess?

So because I believe that someone who rapes and molests 6 year olds is basically scum of the earth and not deserving of redemption, my opinion is shitty? Please tell me more.

Red Beard · 2012-05-23, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Effective

So because I believe that someone who rapes and molests 6 year olds is basically scum of the earth and not deserving of redemption, my opinion is shitty? Please tell me more.

Because you start constructing your own prison in your search for vengeance.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...mestic-drones/

Effective · 2012-05-23, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Red Beard

Because you start constructing your own prison in your search for vengeance.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...mestic-drones/

Meh, drones and prison system are 2 separate topics to me. Is the potential abuse (for privacy and other things) an issue? Yeah sure, but it means little to the plain and simple fact, that people who do things that are downright wrong (IE, things that cause actual harm to a person) don't exactly deserve a lot of sympathy.

Warborn · 2012-05-24, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Effective

So because I believe that someone who rapes and molests 6 year olds is basically scum of the earth and not deserving of redemption, my opinion is shitty? Please tell me more.

Someone convicted of multiple rapes involving minors could be incarcerated for life depending on the circumstances and the place they live. Such people would be considered by the court to be beyond redemption. I don't really care about discussing the appropriateness of rape punishments. The point I'm making is that people in prison are already in prison. They do not need every luxury taken from them, to live a life of concrete and iron and be fed slop and have meager options for recreation. Prison is not supposed to be torturous, even for people remanded there for their lifetime. Your dumb example conveniently flips from you not giving a shit about the welfare of prisoners to "omg pedophile rapists", though, so you'll forgive me if this seems disjointed I'm sure.

Effective · 2012-05-24, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Warborn

Yes, because you believe that your opinion is shit. Criminal justice is not about indulging your torture fantasies. Once upon a time the treatment of criminals was dictated by savages such as yourself who didn't care about the suffering of prisoners based on their own individual proclivities. But, these days, we've progressed as a society to the point where crimes are met with appropriate punishments in the pursuit of justice and rehabilitation.

Hello strawman. Hello ad hominen. You don't know me. Stop presuming you do.

Warborn · 2012-05-24, 02:12 AM

That's just the point. You don't make a difference. Justice is supposed to be impartial. Your own history of being raped when you were six has no relevance to what is an appropriate punishment for people like your attacker.

Also, no, not straw man. But I know people use that term a lot so I don't blame you for riding the popular straw man rollercoaster. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Effective · 2012-05-24, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Warborn

That's just the point. You don't make a difference. Justice is supposed to be impartial. Your own history of being raped when you were six has no relevance to what is an appropriate punishment for people like your attacker.

You're still assuming knowledge you don't have (and is wrong). I've never been raped, nor do I know anyone who has (to my knowledge).

And yes, it is a strawman. I never said prisoners should be tortured (nor do I have torture fantasies as you put it). You're blowing up my position into something overly radical. No different then if I were to suggest that you believe all criminals should be allowed to go free after a slap on the wrist.