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Old 2012-05-20, 09:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #1
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Originally Posted by Red Beard View Post
Isn't that just a wee bit of the pot calling the kettle black?
I meant that in the stance that even I don't have that right to decide what is good for society. I doubt the people that first created the government idea of marriage foresaw these problems they would cause as society became more tolerant.

It's interesting that I've been reading these topics as restricting rights. On the other hand Traak and others usually view it as giving rights. I was going to bring up the idea that there's a group that wants to get rid of marriage all together as a government concept. That is the government shouldn't be giving special rights to a few people that sign a contract to say they are together since it brings these kind of social problems to the government level. Our tax code and such is intertwined in the idea of marriage though so it's obviously a bit complicated to get rid of it. (I think).

// Edit: I guess it would make green card marriages impossible.

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Old 2012-05-20, 09:48 PM   [Ignore Me] #2
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Originally Posted by Sirisian View Post
I meant that in the stance that even I don't have that right to decide what is good for society. I doubt the people that first created the government idea of marriage foresaw these problems they would cause as society became more tolerant.

It's interesting that I've been reading these topics as restricting rights. On the other hand Traak and others usually view it as giving rights. I was going to bring up the idea that there's a group that wants to get rid of marriage all together as a government concept. That is the government shouldn't be giving special rights to a few people that sign a contract to say they are together since it brings these kind of social problems to the government level. Our tax code and such is intertwined in the idea of marriage though so it's obviously a bit complicated to get rid of it. (I think).
Yeah I see what you mean; I think part of the problem (as I've been trying to get people to think about) is that the nature of government has changed fundamentally over the past 100 years. Back in the day, as long as you had the mutual consent of the parties anything was *Lawful* (duels for example). People were free as long as they didn't harm other people or their property.

The way it is now, we are technically the property of the state (through registration), and can't own anything because everyone is a member of the UNITED STATES corporation, and as such is an employee of it and is rendered bankrupt (it's a giant bankruptcy trust). People just have use rights, with no perfected titles in anything (which is why your mortgage says you're a tenant, even if you pay it off).

People argue over public policy, not even realizing all they have is benefit privileges (without any rights), and people that want to gain a feeling of control over others are simply sucked into supporting this system and investing their identity in it, which frankly makes me sad.
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Old 2012-05-21, 11:17 AM   [Ignore Me] #3
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Originally Posted by elfailo View Post
It's better that way. Imagine what would happen if politicians did exactly what people wanted (which is usually uninformed and delusional)...the entire system would implode.
I think those used to be called monarchies. They weren't the best idea, no.
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Old 2012-05-21, 12:53 PM   [Ignore Me] #4
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I think those used to be called monarchies. They weren't the best idea, no.
Ehr... No they would be called populists. Monarchs rule the people, not the other way around.
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Old 2012-05-21, 02:51 PM   [Ignore Me] #5
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I think I misunderstood his phrasing.
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