PS Code of Honor Pact - Page 4

GodlessHeretic · 2014-04-02, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Hehateme

Where did I suggest you weren't a PS1 vet? I merely tried to reword your arguments factoring out the arrogance.

I never assume anyone knows who i am. You are right though. I am comming off as a bit arrogant. Sometimes though, in order to fight monsters...

Originally Posted by cHaM

Needs more Rang imo.

YES.

I miss him.

Hehateme · 2014-04-02, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by GodlessHeretic

I never assume anyone knows who i am. You are right though. I am comming off as a bit arrogant. Sometimes though, in order to fight

In fairness, your arrogance was only a response to the aggressive arrogance thrown at you by the other two.

By the way: I was cheering for you the entire time, especially when you commented on Mightymouser's inability to not insult someone. Bravo

Hehateme · 2014-03-31, 11:31 PM

Dear lord I sincerely hope Planetside 2 players, aspiring to try out the original, aren't reading this thread.

Sure, you three comparing ego's is hilarious to Planetside 1 vets, but this has to be a turn off to anyone who doesn't understand this is what happens the first time you get a kill by spamming adadada better than the person you are shooting.

As for the Honor pact, in my opinion D2A and MightyMouser have a point, in that the pact is the "ideal" way to play planetside. It is the most fun and "fairest" way to play the game according to the majority of players. That being said, in my experience most people curse anyone who plays "lamely" (blowing gen/over use of max ect) to ruin their farm BUT when they are the ones being farmed they'll do the exact same thing they just condemned. Hypocrisy thy name is EVERYONEWHOPLAYSPLANETSIDE.

GodlessHeretic also has a point, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to try and put it in a different way than you did. He is asking "why would I not play lame to win a base." Let's face it, no one likes being the people constantly getting killed when invading a base. It sucks, you hardly get any kills, you die loads (and since you're spawning at ams' spawning takes FOREVER), and it's just not a fun experience. You can be the best player in the game and barely pull out a 1:1 k/d (yes k/d is stupid if you want a good one go play an Arena FPS, still though no one likes dying). So why would anyone not want to just get that hellish experience over with as fast as they can.

Solution #1) try your best not to act lame. I know, I know D2A that was your whole point at making the list. For some reason you asking this was seen as you demanding everyone comply. I don't know why, Heretic is probably just playing devil's advocate (and doing a really find job at that). People are going to play lame, it's just how video games work. And just because the majority of people will agree that this list defines lame play, doesn't mean everyone does.

Solution #2) Stop complaining. Simple as that. Planetside is a war based game and people play to win. And if you're in anything but a bio-lab and your gen get's blown that is your own damn fault unless router exploit. Also for the love of God. If you are holding a bio-lab the gen is going to go down, sure it sucks, but it's a bio-lab. Don't bitch and complain. It's been 10 years, it's a bio-lab, it's going to happen.

Let's look on the bright side, no batsteg, basti, those two TR who were always in AA max's (don't remember their names but if you've ever seen them out of a max in a fight it would make you die of laughter)

Now personally, I hardly ever invade a base. My outfit will always go start a new fight somewhere else because defending is fun, or I just log off. And with that said I still understand why people resort to such lame measures. People don't like getting owned, and invading a base with a semi decent squad is going to suck. So make it end I suppose.

Last thing, I know I only addressed the "not letting fights develop part" but that is truly the only thing in the list that bugs me, and is fixable (sorta).
1. Ceasing to let fights develop/ending fights too early See above
2. Use of lame weapons/vehicles
Doesn't exist to me, if it was added to the game it's part of the game
3.General douchebag behavior
People are douchebag's in real life, what about an online alias is gonna fix that. I get on with most anyone in planetside, D2A we've played decent amounts together you can attest to that. If someone is a dickhead in game just treat them how you would in real life, damn.
4. Abuse of exploits/bugs
Well this is no better than hacking in my opinion. If you use(d) a broken wasp that is cheating, if you use(d) a router GLITCH to warp to gen/basement that is cheating. (those things were not added to the game but exploits)

Death2All · 2014-04-01, 12:06 AM

I honestly have no words. Last time I posted this people simply posted "signed" as in to imply they agree or they furthered the discussion into what is considered a "lame" playstyle or not. Some points were argued upon, but not into the shitfest that this has evolved into. I don't understand nor did I expect the inexplicable resentment. It's just derailed into pointless trolling by this point.

Cliffnotes version of the thread:

PS1 is going F2P soon

There probably won't be that many people back, so let's try and have a good time

Here's some stuff that makes it not a good time

What do you guys think

YOU'RE WRONG

Why?

BECAUSE IT'S YOUR OPINION

And it's all gone to shit from there. I think this is one of those theoretical examples of an infinite number of monkeys typing on typewriters and one of them eventually types out Shakespeare. Only in this situation it's not Shakespeare, it's just nonsensical, contrived, bullshit.

BeatCrazed · 2014-04-01, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Death2All

I honestly have no words. Last time I posted this people simply posted "signed" as in to imply they agree or they furthered the discussion into what is considered a "lame" playstyle or not. Some points were argued upon, but not into the shitfest that this has evolved into. I don't understand nor did I expect the inexplicable resentment. It's just derailed into pointless trolling by this point.

Cliffnotes version of the thread:

PS1 is going F2P soon

There probably won't be that many people back, so let's try and have a good time

Here's some stuff that makes it not a good time

What do you guys think

YOU'RE WRONG

Why?

BECAUSE IT'S YOUR OPINION

And it's all gone to shit from there. I think this is one of those theoretical examples of an infinite number of monkeys typing on typewriters and one of them eventually types out Shakespeare. Only in this situation it's not Shakespeare, it's just nonsensical, contrived, bullshit.

Well I'm signing it. I'd have done so earlier but i was totally lurking, haha.

GodlessHeretic · 2014-04-01, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Death2All

I honestly have no words. Last time I posted this people simply posted "signed" as in to imply they agree or they furthered the discussion into what is considered a "lame" playstyle or not. Some points were argued upon, but not into the shitfest that this has evolved into. I don't understand nor did I expect the inexplicable resentment. It's just derailed into pointless trolling by this point.

Cliffnotes version of the thread:

PS1 is going F2P soon

There probably won't be that many people back, so let's try and have a good time

Here's some stuff that makes it not a good time

What do you guys think

YOU'RE WRONG

Why?

BECAUSE IT'S YOUR OPINION

And it's all gone to shit from there. I think this is one of those theoretical examples of an infinite number of monkeys typing on typewriters and one of them eventually types out Shakespeare. Only in this situation it's not Shakespeare, it's just nonsensical, contrived, bullshit.

This is all your fault. Own up to being an idiot at least, would ya?

GodlessHeretic · 2014-04-01, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Hehateme

As for the Honor pact, in my opinion D2A and MightyMouser have a point, in that the pact is the "ideal" way to play planetside. It is the most fun and "fairest" way to play the game according to the majority of players. That being said, in my experience most people curse anyone who plays "lamely" (blowing gen/over use of max ect) to ruin their farm BUT when they are the ones being farmed they'll do the exact same thing they just condemned. Hypocrisy thy name is EVERYONEWHOPLAYSPLANETSIDE.

GodlessHeretic also has a point, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to try and put it in a different way than you did. He is asking "why would I not play lame to win a base." Let's face it, no one likes being the people constantly getting killed when invading a base. It sucks, you hardly get any kills, you die loads (and since you're spawning at ams' spawning takes FOREVER), and it's just not a fun experience. You can be the best player in the game and barely pull out a 1:1 k/d (yes k/d is stupid if you want a good one go play an Arena FPS, still though no one likes dying). So why would anyone not want to just get that hellish experience over with as fast as they can.

Solution #1) try your best not to act lame. I know, I know D2A that was your whole point at making the list. For some reason you asking this was seen as you demanding everyone comply. I don't know why, Heretic is probably just playing devil's advocate (and doing a really find job at that). People are going to play lame, it's just how video games work. And just because the majority of people will agree that this list defines lame play, doesn't mean everyone does.

Solution #2) Stop complaining. Simple as that. Planetside is a war based game and people play to win. And if you're in anything but a bio-lab and your gen get's blown that is your own damn fault unless router exploit. Also for the love of God. If you are holding a bio-lab the gen is going to go down, sure it sucks, but it's a bio-lab. Don't bitch and complain. It's been 10 years, it's a bio-lab, it's going to happen.

This guy...

For the record, those PS1 vets you're refering to include myself as well. I'm just a very well kept secret. Like an STD...or a crooked dick.

Hehateme · 2014-04-01, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by GodlessHeretic

This guy...

For the record, those PS1 vets you're refering to include myself as well. I'm just a very well kept secret. Like an STD...or a crooked dick.

Where did I suggest you weren't a PS1 vet? I merely tried to reword your arguments factoring out the arrogance.

Mightymouser · 2014-04-02, 03:32 PM

Godless, I'm done with you. At the point that you have to resort to utter vulgarity to try and make a point, you've run out of useful things to say... Now you're just arguing to argue.

Originally Posted by Hehateme

GodlessHeretic also has a point, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to try and put it in a different way than you did. He is asking "why would I not play lame to win a base." Let's face it, no one likes being the people constantly getting killed when invading a base. It sucks, you hardly get any kills, you die loads (and since you're spawning at ams' spawning takes FOREVER), and it's just not a fun experience. You can be the best player in the game and barely pull out a 1:1 k/d (yes k/d is stupid if you want a good one go play an Arena FPS, still though no one likes dying). So why would anyone not want to just get that hellish experience over with as fast as they can.

I actually agree with that point, I just don't agree that it's the one Godless was making... If an empire isn't having fun at a fight (especially if they're getting farmed); I don’t have any problem with them working to end it (short of exploit routers, which are IMO utter rubbish in all cases). I’ve ended my fair share of interfarms and I can’t fault anyone for ending one of mine.

However, there is a far cry between ending a farm where your side is getting slaughtered and moving base to base running more MAXes to the generator than the enemy has players on the continent, over and over because you’re “playing to win” and justifying it with the "This is war, there are no rules in war" crap we saw over and over in years past (and which Godless has reiterated in this thread).

GodlessHeretic · 2014-04-03, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mightymouser

Godless, I'm done with you. At the point that you have to resort to utter vulgarity to try and make a point, you've run out of useful things to say... Now you're just arguing to argue.

Vulgarity? That's the breaking point for you? Geez...if i'd have known that, i would've tried to end this 3 pages ago...

No. You're done because the tactics you use to "argue" are failing. What's worse is that you're attempting to play the "victim" now to garner sympathy. I didn't start this. You did. Own up to it.

Originally Posted by Mightymouser

However, there is a far cry between ending a farm where your side is getting slaughtered and moving base to base running more MAXes to the generator than the enemy has players on the continent, over and over because you’re “playing to win” and justifying it with the "This is war, there are no rules in war" crap we saw over and over in years past (and which Godless has reiterated in this thread).

The circumstances you're using as an example here are kind of isolated, and are usually reserved for truly pain-in-the ass fights that HAVE to be ended. Additionally, i've only seen a few outfits with the quanitity of people required to pull this off.

I can't believe i'm saying this again, but for the last time...there are multiple ways to "win" Planetside. For some, it's taking bases. For others, it's stats. For others, it's those little moments. For others still, it's the discipline required to uphold a standard. For more, it's something else. There are too many people. Too many variables. All of them are required though. In the end, you do what works for you and yours. More importantly, you bring it up with you and yours.

Just do two things for me though:

First, expect that your way of doing things will not always work and is not always warranted. I don't care how successful you think it is, you are not the status-quo.

Second, do not begrudge others for what they do. They have their place, just like you do. Learning to work together despite differences in method is what truly makes a great player in Planetside.

Wahooo · 2014-04-04, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by GodlessHeretic

The circumstances you're using as an example here are kind of isolated, and are usually reserved for truly pain-in-the ass fights that HAVE to be ended. Additionally, i've only seen a few outfits with the quanitity of people required to pull this off.

Actually once the population drops to the point you have 1 or almost 1 pop-locked continent the situations Mouse is talking about are incredibly common.

15 people trying to have a fight at a base and getting overrun by 20 maxes is not unheard of. That or seeing hot spots and responding as a small group to find gens in the 3 or 5 bases near them blown.

The problem is, we know the pop is going to be low to start with, and if 'winning' is happening at any cost, or in ways that are kinda pointless, ie avoiding the actual S in the FPS of the game, it gets pointless. When the game feels pointless people quit. When you have a low population and people quit you don't have a game.

That is all anyone is asking. Please try and think of PLAYING the game. If you are just out to make circles change color on a map then play MSpaint.
It is a lot to ask, but it is little things.
Killing a router exploit and reporting the exploiter even if it is on your own empire.
TK and report barcode hackers and the like
Name and Shame in Global chat people doing douche things like draining an entire continent.

All things that if we had enough population for 3 continent locks or at least a primary, secondary and tertiary fight for each empire they would be isolated, but with the pops we are expecting we either play fun or kill the game.

GodlessHeretic · 2014-04-04, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by BeatCrazed

I think Bedzike means that we can make 100 accounts to TK people who are acting like shits (godless), and to enforce the global KOS order for trolls and such.

I was going to leave this alone, but you guys seem to be getting the wrong idea here. I'm not really for or against any style of play. I was merely arguing one side of it. The difference between myself and another is that i don't expect anyone to fight "fair". So, i prepare for it.

On the note of your Gen-blower "justice": The troll in me is seriously tempted to do it, just so you can ponder the meaning of the word harassment while your suspended for a week. Nothing boils my blood more than cry-babies.