Israel - Page 5

Warborn · 2012-07-20, 10:49 AM

Access to the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories is heavily controlled. The goal is for the Israeli government to keep the Palestinians living in as poor of conditions as possible short of creating a humanitarian crisis. And if someone ever shoots a rocket into Israel settlements from your neighborhood, Israel will level your neighborhood with tanks and helicopters, even if it means a bunch of random civilians being killed in the process.

So yeah, the Palestinians live in a state where their movement, property, ownership, and other rights are routinely infringed upon. And some of them decide to become violent with Israel because of that. And then Israel says: "Look at how we are under attack by the Palestinians, now you see that we are the victims." And the world doesn't do anything, because the United States politicians court Jewish voters through supporting Israel no matter what they do.

Warborn · 2012-08-04, 01:24 PM

I don't have any interest in Israel beyond its ongoing apartheid.

MightyMan · 2012-08-04, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

I don't have any interest in Israel beyond its ongoing apartheid.

Why are you making me to do this?

First picture: I will not lie to you (because I am totally a poopy Palestinian hater and stuffs, ya know), this image is real. Now, before you sadomise me with a stick, let me tell you this: The guy on he picture is a Jewish extremists, the one who believes that god (at least the horribly mutated version of him) is better then logic (those are like less then 0.002% of the Jewish population). You see, those are the extremist jackasses who create the problem of the illegal settlements and who are constantly in an aggressiveness conflict with Palestinians. I hate them too. Most of us think that they are out of their minds and they need to be tied on a leash.
They are put in prison for such things all the time.
Saying their actions represent the Israeli ideology, or it's government is as stupid as saying that Obama is racist because there is KKK in the USA.

Second picture:
Yes this is a real picture that an Israeli soldier has uploaded to her facebook account with the phrase "the good old days" which was of course sarcastic.
Basically those were Palestinian prisoners (you have those too, but those are Canadians. I know it is hard to believe it, but such a thing exists not only in Israel) and she took a picture with them after they were arrested for assistance in terror actions. Needless to say this childish action was immediately disapproved by any Israeli with a head on his shoulders (including me), and the media crucified her. Sadly, she was not actually judged for anything because she has not disobeyed any law.
Why do I know this? because this was on the news for over an year in here.
BTW there are allot of those that were made by US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq too, what can I say, dumb people are all over the world. If the actions of one dumb Israeli make me a nazi, I am truly sorry.

Third picture: thanks god for google images, saved me allot of time with this one: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/188079.php

Fourth image: See Picture number one.

Originally Posted by Warborn

I don't have any interest in Israel beyond its ongoing apartheid.

This was not requested directly from you, but from all of those who take part in this thread. If that is the way you feel, don't state it like it will make you to grow a 3rd testicle because you sound like a total douche bag like that.

TheDAWinz · 2012-08-04, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by MightyMan

Why are you making me to do this?

First picture: I will not lie to you (because I am totally a poopy Palestinian hater and stuffs, ya know), this image is real. Now, before you sadomise me with a stick, let me tell you this: The guy on he picture is a Jewish extremists, the one who believes that god (at least the horribly mutated version of him) is better then logic (those are like less then 0.002% of the Jewish population). You see, those are the extremist jackasses who create the problem of the illegal settlements and who are constantly in an aggressiveness conflict with Palestinians. I hate them too. Most of us think that they are out of their minds and they need to be tied on a leash.
They are put in prison for such things all the time.
Saying their actions represent the Israeli ideology, or it's government is as stupid as saying that Obama is racist because there is KKK in the USA.

Second picture:
Yes this is a real picture that an Israeli soldier has uploaded to her facebook account with the phrase "the good old days" which was of course sarcastic.
Basically those were Palestinian prisoners (you have those too, but those are Canadians. I know it is hard to believe it, but such a thing exists not only in Israel) and she took a picture with them after they were arrested for assistance in terror actions. Needless to say this childish action was immediately disapproved by any Israeli with a head on his shoulders (including me), and the media crucified her. Sadly, she was not actually judged for anything because she has not disobeyed any law.
Why do I know this? because this was on the news for over an year in here.
BTW there are allot of those that were made by US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq too, what can I say, dumb people are all over the world. If the actions of one dumb Israeli make me a nazi, I am truly sorry.

Third picture: thanks god for google images, saved me allot of time with this one: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/188079.php

Fourth image: See Picture number one.

This was not requested directly from you, but from all of those who take part in this thread. If that is the way you feel, don't state it like it will make you to grow a 3rd testicle because you sound like a total douche bag like that.

I want a third testical

Warborn · 2012-08-05, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by MightyMan

Why are you making me to do this?

I didn't.

First picture: I will not lie to you (because I am totally a poopy Palestinian hater and stuffs, ya know), this image is real. Now, before you sadomise me with a stick, let me tell you this: The guy on he picture is a Jewish extremists, the one who believes that god (at least the horribly mutated version of him) is better then logic (those are like less then 0.002% of the Jewish population). You see, those are the extremist jackasses who create the problem of the illegal settlements and who are constantly in an aggressiveness conflict with Palestinians. I hate them too. Most of us think that they are out of their minds and they need to be tied on a leash.
They are put in prison for such things all the time.
Saying their actions represent the Israeli ideology, or it's government is as stupid as saying that Obama is racist because there is KKK in the USA.

If the KKK goes out and does this kind of stuff to people in the USA they get picked up by the police. There's a difference between having some kind of hardline assholes in the country, and tolerating said assholes' bullshit. Once upon a time the KKK, like the settlers, were able to get away with doing illegal stuff as well because the authorities didn't care or even tacitly condoned their activities. But then people decided that maybe treating dark-skinned Americans like shit wasn't such a cool thing to do.

Second picture:
Yes this is a real picture that an Israeli soldier has uploaded to her facebook account with the phrase "the good old days" which was of course sarcastic.
Basically those were Palestinian prisoners (you have those too, but those are Canadians. I know it is hard to believe it, but such a thing exists not only in Israel) and she took a picture with them after they were arrested for assistance in terror actions. Needless to say this childish action was immediately disapproved by any Israeli with a head on his shoulders (including me), and the media crucified her. Sadly, she was not actually judged for anything because she has not disobeyed any law.
Why do I know this? because this was on the news for over an year in here.
BTW there are allot of those that were made by US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq too, what can I say, dumb people are all over the world. If the actions of one dumb Israeli make me a nazi, I am truly sorry.

I didn't call you a Nazi.

When these pictures came out the general consensus seemed to be, by Palestinians, that this was typical and indicative of the sort of treatment they endure on a regular basis. This woman was dumb enough to post pictures of it on public space, but how many more took similar or worse pictures and kept them private? It's not about this former IDF soldier, it's about the problem this represents as a whole.

And the government/military simply expressing their disapproval of the pictures and taking no steps to curb this kind of behaviour at all doesn't really amount to anything.

Third picture: thanks god for google images, saved me allot of time with this one: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/188079.php

So the cutting-edge reporting team at TheJawaReport.com aren't convinced the picture is legit, although they have no proof to the contrary, they just think it looks suspicious. I think you need to reconsider what you consider a valuable source of information. It's not like this would be the first missile fired at Palestinian children. Hundreds of children have been killed or wounded by Israeli forces in the last decade.

This was not requested directly from you, but from all of those who take part in this thread. If that is the way you feel, don't state it like it will make you to grow a 3rd testicle because you sound like a total douche bag like that.

Why would that make me sound like a douche bag? I'm not Jewish and I live across the world from Israel. Would you say you are particularly interested in Canada? Unless you have relatives here or if there are some of our own crimes (like how we treat our First Nations population) have caught your eye, why would you? It's not meant to be offensive, it's just that Israel is not very significant to non-**** except for how it interacts with the Palestinians and, I guess, the arabs at large.

MightyMan · 2012-08-05, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Warborn

I didn't.

If the KKK goes out and does this kind of stuff to people in the USA they get picked up by the police. There's a difference between having some kind of hardline assholes in the country, and tolerating said assholes' bullshit. Once upon a time the KKK, like the settlers, were able to get away with doing illegal stuff as well because the authorities didn't care or even tacitly condoned their activities. But then people decided that maybe treating dark-skinned Americans like shit wasn't such a cool thing to do.

I didn't call you a Nazi.

When these pictures came out the general consensus seemed to be, by Palestinians, that this was typical and indicative of the sort of treatment they endure on a regular basis. This woman was dumb enough to post pictures of it on public space, but how many more took similar or worse pictures and kept them private? It's not about this former IDF soldier, it's about the problem this represents as a whole.

And the government/military simply expressing their disapproval of the pictures and taking no steps to curb this kind of behaviour at all doesn't really amount to anything.

So the cutting-edge reporting team at TheJawaReport.com aren't convinced the picture is legit, although they have no proof to the contrary, they just think it looks suspicious. I think you need to reconsider what you consider a valuable source of information. It's not like this would be the first missile fired at Palestinian children. Hundreds of children have been killed or wounded by Israeli forces in the last decade.

Why would that make me sound like a douche bag? I'm not Jewish and I live across the world from Israel. Would you say you are particularly interested in Canada? Unless you have relatives here or if there are some of our own crimes (like how we treat our First Nations population) have caught your eye, why would you? It's not meant to be offensive, it's just that Israel is not very significant to non-**** except for how it interacts with the Palestinians and, I guess, the arabs at large.

1. Those assholes do get picked off by the police.

2. Yes I am completely aware that you have not called me a nazi. What I meant is that you are trying to imply that one mans action represent the actions of all of us. I have expressed my self in a dumb way, and thus I am sorry. And this is not typical behavior. Perhaps a very uncommon one.
Also, what else can they do but expressing their disapproval? She really did not violate any law at all. The same thing would happened in Canada if such did would occur.
3. Clearly you have not read the article. They have cutting evidence that the picture is fake. Try actually reading the article until the end.

About your non-interest in Israel. I'l have to agree with you. If not for the shitstorms we would be on the news only like only 5% of the time (probably less) we are now. But who would not. I can't remember the last time I heard about Canada on the news.

Also, I am perfectly aware that this was not supposed to be offensive. A nicer way of saying the things would be better. "I am sorry but in my opinion the Israeli occupation and stuffs is the most important theme right now, and thus I would much rather prefer to concentrate on it only.
Of course you don't have to say it like an A class gentleman and it could be much shorter, but your way of expressing it reminded me of the term "fuck off". It's probably just me though. So yeh another broken way of expression by me. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

I wish I could find the photo of the Palestinian boy tied to the hood of an Israeli jeep. Oh wait: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0424-03.htm Funny thing in that article, they are being treated this way as they protest Israel worming its territory into remaining Palestinian land, back in 2004. Just like in America, the people coming from a position of authority or power are often overzealous and brutal in their methods of trying to "control" the people they are oppressing.

Seriously though, MightyMan, go get me a photograph of an IDF poster on the Palestine side of the Apartheid walls. Make sure a soldier sees you take the picture. Photograph the soldier too. It may be a bit of a cultural experience for you, or you might be shot dead, it'll be an adventure either way.

First paragraph: Yes it happened. Yes they were sent to prison. No it does not happen all the time and does not represent a common way of controlling such protests. No, the fact that it is a protest does not mean it is against an actual issue. If it would be, Israels balls would be cut off by the UN right away. In all of the history of the country, Palestinian territories were never taken by the government or any kind of sane citizen. The only one who try to claim those lands are individuals from the more extremist orthodox *** who are a very little per cent of the Jewish population (less the 0.001%) in Israel. They build illegal settlements, and those are constantly removed by the Israeli government. So it is an actual issue, but saying that it is done by Israelis in common is not true.

Second paragraph:
You have already talked about this, and I have already replied this.
I think it is like on the second or 3rd page.
What happened? Running out of accusations?

Warborn · 2012-08-05, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by TheDAWinz

Making and pulling false info is difficult to understand.

You need to stop posting while high.

Originally Posted by MightyMan

2. Yes I am completely aware that you have not called me a nazi. What I meant is that you are trying to imply that one mans action represent the actions of all of us. I have expressed my self in a dumb way, and thus I am sorry. And this is not typical behavior. Perhaps a very uncommon one.
Also, what else can they do but expressing their disapproval? She really did not violate any law at all. The same thing would happened in Canada if such did would occur.

3. Clearly you have not read the article. They have cutting evidence that the picture is fake. Try actually reading the article until the end.

About your non-interest in Israel. I'l have to agree with you. If not for the shitstorms we would be on the news only like only 5% of the time (probably less) we are now. But who would not. I can't remember the last time I heard about Canada on the news.

Also, I am perfectly aware that this was not supposed to be offensive. A nicer way of saying the things would be better. "I am sorry but in my opinion the Israeli occupation and stuffs is the most important theme right now, and thus I would much rather prefer to concentrate on it only.
Of course you don't have to say it like an A class gentleman and it could be much shorter, but your way of expressing it reminded me of the term "fuck off". It's probably just me though. So yeh another broken way of expression by me. Sorry.

"I'm not 100% sure it's fake, but I definitely lean that way. Why? The odds, that's all. It's an extraordinary claim to say you captured a photo of a bomb milliseconds before it hits with such high resolution and clarity. And, in my mind, extraordinary claims take extraordinary evidence."
- The Jawa Report's famed reporter, "Rusty Shackleford, PhD" (that's not a real person by the way, it's from the show King of the Hill)

The IDF defends settlers and their homes despite their activity being a significant part of the tension between the Palestinians and Israelis, and the settlements themselves are of course considered illegal by the international community. Great, some people disapproved of an IDF soldier humiliating Palestinian prisoners. Amazing, sometimes some Jewish extremists might get picked up by the police for assaulting Palestinian women. The bottom line is that the state is currently engaged in illegal activity, and is using its military to defend said illegal activities. The small shit, like settlers jeering at a recently evicted Palestinian woman, are just indicative of the larger issue. And that is, of course, the complete disregard for the Palestinians, their lands, and the international law which says they are Palestinian lands.

Also, have you seen Louis Theroux's BBC documentary, The Ultra Zionists? I thought it was a quite interesting look at the whole settlement situation.

Neurotoxin · 2012-08-05, 04:42 AM

I wish I could find the photo of the Palestinian boy tied to the hood of an Israeli jeep. Oh wait: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0424-03.htm Funny thing in that article, they are being treated this way as they protest Israel worming its territory into remaining Palestinian land, back in 2004. Just like in America, the people coming from a position of authority or power are often overzealous and brutal in their methods of trying to "control" the people they are oppressing.

Seriously though, MightyMan, go get me a photograph of an IDF poster on the Palestine side of the Apartheid walls. Make sure a soldier sees you take the picture. Photograph the soldier too. It may be a bit of a cultural experience for you, or you might be shot dead, it'll be an adventure either way.

Neurotoxin · 2012-08-05, 03:10 PM

If everyone was their own cousin, I'd be a doctor AND a lawyer. Go do it yourself, don't defer to your relative's experience. Post the pictures you take, too.

If the ultra-Orthodox are the ones causing all the trouble, do something about it, don't maintain an Apartheid and say "well I'm not the one doing it so its okay, plus I've been taught they they are brutal and unreasonable."

Do you know WHY peace talks failed and no longer go on? I'd like to hear your side of it, what you've heard, what you know about it. Refer me to where you've already posted about this if you have.

TheDAWinz · 2012-08-05, 03:17 PM

I hate ignorant fucks who like to bash other people's countries while thinking its peaches and cream in their own.

Warborn · 2012-08-05, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by TheDAWinz

I hate ignorant fucks who like to bash other people's countries while thinking its peaches and cream in their own.

It's a thread about Israel. We're talking about issues related to Israel in it. Why is this difficult to understand?

TheDAWinz · 2012-08-05, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

It's a thread about Israel. We're talking about issues related to Israel in it. Why is this difficult to understand?

Making and pulling false info is difficult to understand.

andehh · 2012-08-05, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Malorn

I think Israel's pretty awesome. It's an island of modern society sitting in a sea of culture that is about 600 years behind the rest of the world.

Couldn't agree more, credit to Israel! Not only 600 years behind the rest of us...but who want to drag us back 600 years...

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Warborn · 2012-08-06, 09:58 AM

Also, if you want to stop talking about Palestinians we could actually start talking about the apparent upswing in anti-African sentiment.

But don't worry guys, they'll even have special camps where African migrants can be concentrated into one area.

Originally Posted by Necronile

You dont understand one thing...
They are orthodox ****!,they believe that those territories are part of Israel (They also believe jordan and sryia are part of israel too).
And we all know religous people are kinda crazy when you try to interfere with their faith.

I am aware of this, but words in a stupid old book about land ownership are irrelevant. They don't change the fact that their activities are recognized as illegal by the international community.

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-08-06, 10:04 AM

One could even get a feeling of how fucked up and wrong that whole part of the world is by watching something as innocuous as An Idiot Abroad. People look at the Berlin wall as this great insult to human dignity, ignoring the fact that the Palestinians are living that right now.

It's chancy thought because you know that if the Israelis weren't vigilant, the arab nations would gladly crush them at the earliest opportunity, as they've tried before.

Religions. It all comes down to dumbshit religions. It'll end us if we don't end it.