A new Hardcore Mode/Server thread.

[headcrab13]

Negative, for two reasons:

1) It's hard enough to balance and add content to one game, and you'd essentially be developing two at once.

2) The community would eventually shift more to "New" or "Classic," destroying the opposite mode in the process.

-HC13

[CutterJohn]

Originally Posted by headcrab13

Negative, for two reasons:

1) It's hard enough to balance and add content to one game, and you'd essentially be developing two at once.

More like 1.1 games, considering literally everything aside from stat files would be identical. Balance is not easy, but its also not a very labor intensive job. There are plenty of quite balanced mods out there that are mostly done by one or two people. Theres several people on this forum I'd feel confident could handle the task of reshaping the combat to a different dynamic.

Originally Posted by headcrab13

2) The community would eventually shift more to "New" or "Classic," destroying the opposite mode in the process.

-HC13

So.. the community as a whole decides which they prefer, and thats supposed to strike one as a bad thing? That would be awesome.

[headcrab13]

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

More like 1.1 games, considering literally everything aside from stat files would be identical. Balance is not easy, but its also not a very labor intensive job. There are plenty of quite balanced mods out there that are mostly done by one or two people. Theres several people on this forum I'd feel confident could handle the task of reshaping the combat to a different dynamic.

So.. the community as a whole decides which they prefer, and thats supposed to strike one as a bad thing? That would be awesome.

Nah it would definitely be two radically different games, and SOE doesn't exactly have the manpower for that. Maintaining separate stats is one thing, but you'd also have to squash twice as many bugs, and just think of the multitude of small changes that were made in each PS1 patch. With a "classic" mode, you'd almost double the work when patching, as well.

I see your point as far as balancing small mods, but PS1 has an immense number of facets to balance, and the butterfly effect generated by changing one single weapon's damage is a balance nightmare. There's no way you really think one or two guys could balance every aspect of PlanetSide in such a small timeframe.

As far as your comment about letting the community choose between "classic" and "new" servers, I think the devs and most of the community realize that it's time for PS to be overhauled. PS1 is amazing in it's own right, but we're ready for a completely new game that revisits the excellent "universe" of PlanetSide while simultaneously bringing so much more to the table. I am totally psyched about everything that the PS2 team has touched on thus far.

-HC13

[Rbstr]

Originally Posted by headcrab13

I think the devs and most of the community realize that it's time for PS to be overhauled. PS1 is amazing in it's own right, but we're ready for a completely new game that revisits the excellent "universe" of PlanetSide while simultaneously bringing so much more to the table. I am totally psyched about everything that the PS2 team has touched on thus far.

What forums have you been reading? Including/not including nearly every facet of potential combat mechanics has been argued over. Location-based damage is controversial on these forums!

(I agree with you about the direction things are going being good)

[Malorn]

Jetpacks are also controversial, for reasons that completely evade me. FFS they were on VS maxes...

[headcrab13]

Originally Posted by Rbstr

What forums have you been reading? Including/not including nearly every facet of potential combat mechanics has been argued over. Location-based damage is controversial on these forums!

(I agree with you about the direction things are going being good)

Haha, yep, while there is certainly some heated debate on the forums, I think most people agree that sticking with a "classic" mode (same old TTK, stale gameplay, BFRs) is a bad idea. I was simply stating that it's good to see things moving forward

-HC13

[CutterJohn]

Originally Posted by headcrab13

but you'd also have to squash twice as many bugs

Literally the only thing that would need to be different are the weapon and vehicle stat files, which are trivial to alter.

I see your point as far as balancing small mods, but PS1 has an immense number of facets to balance, and the butterfly effect generated by changing one single weapon's damage is a balance nightmare. There's no way you really think one or two guys could balance every aspect of PlanetSide in such a small timeframe.

You realize that hardcore mode in bad company 2 is quite popular, and is an extremely simple set of changes. Damage is doubled, no reticle, no minimap. Thats all that is different from the base game. People still like it.


I'd bet you good money that you could take PS, double the damage of all weapons and halve the heal/hack/repair/respawn times, and some players brand new to the game would generally like it, and think the slow game is kinda crap. The balance they will prefer is the balance they are used to. Even if the relationships are imbalanced, they'll accept them to a degree because it is what it is.

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Literally the only thing that would need to be different are the weapon and vehicle stat files, which are trivial to alter.





You realize that hardcore mode in bad company 2 is quite popular, and is an extremely simple set of changes. Damage is doubled, no reticle, no minimap. Thats all that is different from the base game. People still like it.


I'd bet you good money that you could take PS, double the damage of all weapons and halve the heal/hack/repair/respawn times, and some players brand new to the game would generally like it, and think the slow game is kinda crap. The balance they will prefer is the balance they are used to. Even if the relationships are imbalanced, they'll accept them to a degree because it is what it is.

a face based game isnot all about TTK, look at Unreal and TF2 yea you can be instantgib and killed rather fast but most of the weapons require serveral shots. Its more about the runspeed and movment and also the gametype rather than TTK. you up the TTK in planetside, based around domination objectives all you will see is camping, and to counter that camping people will spam whatever does not need LOS to kill...eg maelstrom, thumpers, frags PLASMA or they will push in max suits so they're not instantgibbed when attempting to push into a lobby.

And like people say, hardcore isnot that skillful, it all does is mean you can spray and pray your 30 rounds, maybe hit one shot and kill something.