Trayvon Martin - Page 12

Warborn · 2012-04-04, 02:53 AM

It's not bullshit hate of Fox News, it's legitimate disdain for a "news" company which in actuality is nothing more than the mouth piece of the mainstream Republican Party. If you're going to cite a source for something, don't cite a shitty source that nobody with any sense takes seriously.

You don't get a scrape on your head which doesn't bleed significantly and doesn't require medical attention from having your head bashed against concrete repeatedly. Zimmerman's injuries were, I suspect, as the police report suggests: Superficial injuries with slight bleeding to the nose and back of the head as a result. Not as his lawyer claims: A broken nose and a head that required stitches. However he got whatever may or may not be on the back of his head in that video, it wasn't as Zimmerman claimed.

Zulthus · 2012-04-04, 03:07 AM

Not to sound like an asshole, but I don't even see why people care about this guy. This shit happens DAILY in the US and nobody gives a fuck, but SUDDENLY they care SO MUCH about a dead black guy just because the media makes it into something big.

Not much to see here. Many, many people get murdered daily, and in many cases over racism. None of them justified.

Fenrys · 2012-04-04, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

This shit happens DAILY in the US and nobody gives a fuck, but SUDDENLY they care SO MUCH about a dead black guy just because the media makes it into something big.

Now that is an interesting question! Why did the MSM choose to make so much ado about a scenario like this one, at this particular time?

What else would we be talking and thinking about if not for this distraction?

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

It is called distraction. It is no accident this is happening right now, it takes attention from Obamacare being destroyed by the Supreme Court.

Or Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness, signed on the ides of March.

Or . . . ?

WildGunsTomcat · 2012-04-04, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Warborn

It's not bullshit hate of Fox News, it's legitimate disdain for a "news" company which in actuality is nothing more than the mouth piece of the mainstream Republican Party. If you're going to cite a source for something, don't cite a shitty source that nobody with any sense takes seriously.

You don't get a scrape on your head which doesn't bleed significantly and doesn't require medical attention from having your head bashed against concrete repeatedly. Zimmerman's injuries were, I suspect, as the police report suggests: Superficial injuries with slight bleeding to the nose and back of the head as a result. Not as his lawyer claims: A broken nose and a head that required stitches. However he got whatever may or may not be on the back of his head in that video, it wasn't as Zimmerman claimed.

Yeah, Fox News is a Republican mouthpiece..because all the other news outfits are so liberal its disgusting.

But I guess the repubs can't even have one eh?

Also, it adds weight to the fact that he was attacked.

And it also adds weight to the fact that, by Florida state law, he had every right to put a bullet in his attacker...because he had a CCL.

Case closed.

Warborn · 2012-04-04, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by WildGunsTomcat

Yeah, Fox News is a Republican mouthpiece..because all the other news outfits are so liberal its disgusting.

It's interesting how some people only see things as being either "good" or "so liberal its disgusting".

And it also adds weight to the fact that, by Florida state law, he had every right to put a bullet in his attacker...because he had a CCL.

Except Martin almost certainly wasn't the attacker. The only reason anyone thinks Martin (a kid with no history of violence on his way home from the store, talking to his girlfriend on the way) was the attacker here is because of scary black person stereotypes. It is vastly more probable that Zimmerman, a guy who does have a violent history, who had been fired from a security job for being too aggressive, who actively chased down Martin, made things turn physical.

To assume that Zimmerman did indeed get lost in his own three-street neighborhood, and Martin attacked him, tried to take his gun, and then said "You got me!" as Zimmerman shot him, well, it isn't because of logic that you believe that's anything like the truth.

Baneblade · 2012-04-04, 09:18 AM

It is called distraction. It is no accident this is happening right now, it takes attention from Obamacare being destroyed by the Supreme Court.

Vash02 · 2012-04-04, 10:16 AM

Tom, if Zimmerman attacked Trayvon (Which, judging by Zimmermans words and actions, he did), did Trayvon not have the right to defend himself also? or does that law only protect the guy with the gun?

If you instigate the confrontation you should have to pay the consequences.

ArcIyte · 2012-04-04, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Warborn

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I am amazed at how you ignore large facets of this case, and warp the rest to fit your personal political ethos. More surprising is how blatant the media has been in doing the same. What they're doing is almost criminal in itself.

Do you actually believe in the garbage you post or are you just board warrioring?

Figment · 2012-04-04, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by ArcIyte

I am amazed at how you ignore large facets of this case, and warp the rest to fit your personal political ethos. More surprising is how blatant the media has been in doing the same. What they're doing is almost criminal in itself.

Do you actually believe in the garbage you post or are you just board warrioring?

I'm also amazed at how you are absolutely certain it was justifiable homicide. I'm also amazed at how everyone defending Zimmerman is trying to draw attention away from him and onto the media, as if that is more important than a fair trial itself.

Does the media influence? Sure. Should it? No. /deliberate media derail to blame it on the liberals.

Ad hominem much btw?

Warborn · 2012-04-04, 12:04 PM

What are my personal political ethos which warp my perception of this case as a white Canadian?

And I'd say I've read/heard pretty much every facet of this. It may be every day stuff where some people are from, but it's a pretty crazy story for me. What I'd really like to know is whether the defense of Zimmerman here is a racial thing, a 2nd amendment thing, a... "the LIEberal media are saying X, therefore I believe Y!" thing, or what.

Baneblade · 2012-04-04, 12:47 PM

How about a due process thing?

Warborn · 2012-04-04, 12:58 PM

Acknowledging the facts surrounding the case doesn't mean that all of a sudden George Zimmerman is no longer entitled to due process. I know PSU is a pretty cool site with a pretty happening Political Debate sub-forum, but I think the Florida prosecutors are going to go at it without consulting us for the verdict this time.

And yes, I think Zimmerman is going to be indicted. Angela Corey is the one looking into it. Prosecutor in Florida teen shooting aims to do "right thing".

Baneblade · 2012-04-04, 02:21 PM

Point is, the man will be found guilty no matter what the truth is. His due process was taken from him by the media.

TheSHiFT · 2012-04-04, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

Point is, the man will be found guilty no matter what the truth is. His due process was taken from him by the media.

YEA! Just like OJ's and Casey Anthony.

WildGunsTomcat · 2012-04-04, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by TheSHiFT

YEA! Just like OJ's and Casey Anthony.

That is actually a good point.

If the public thinks you're guilty....you're automatically guilty.

That's why Casey Anthony is in hiding...even though she was found not guilty of any wrongdoing.

And that's why I'm saying give the fucking justice system a chance to do their job before you start crying about Zimmerman getting away with some type of injustice. You don't know what happened, you weren't there....you don't know better than anyone else.

This discussion...like another poster commented....is warping into a political ethos war.