What a travisty

[CutterJohn]

Originally Posted by LegioX

Do i need to show you all the times Obama stated to the American people "its not a tax"? Would you be mad if the Pres. directly lied to you about the entire process on how the bill was passed?

And just like every liberal, when i show facts they spout it off as nothing but dribble and not fact. Want me to put u in your place? Will not look good.

Did you ever rub two brain cells together and figure out for yourself that it behaves exactly like a tax, regardless of what its labeled for marketing purposes?

The saddest thing is not that he lied. Its that it worked.


So when SCOTUS came out and said, yeah, its a tax, a million republicans lost their minds.

All I could think was "Duh?"

Originally Posted by LegioX

All i can say is, they better be glad i do have health insurance right now. B/c i like to see a fucking IRS agent come and take my money if i decided to not buy insurance b/c the gov't demands me to.

Do you own a house? or have a kid? Right. The government gives you deductions if you do those. And innumerable other things.

Which means the government is taking your money because you decided not to do something. Perfectly legit. Has been for ages. How can you be outraged when you don't even know how your own taxes work? Boggles my mind.

[LegioX]

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Did you ever rub two brain cells together and figure out for yourself that it behaves exactly like a tax, regardless of what its labeled for marketing purposes?

The saddest thing is not that he lied. Its that it worked.


So when SCOTUS came out and said, yeah, its a tax, a million republicans lost their minds.

All I could think was "Duh?"

you own a house? or have a kid? Right. The government gives you deductions if you do those. And innumerable other things.

Which means the government is taking your money because you decided not to do something. Perfectly legit. Has been for ages. How can you be outraged when you don't even know how your own taxes work? Boggles my mind.

So explain to me Yoda, why did Obama say 1million times that it was not a tax??? Explain that.

It's simple. He lied to the American people to get this passed. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.

Honestly believe it would have passed if all the democrats and the POTUS was going around saying..yeah its a tax!!! Pass the bill congress! we will just see the largest tax in american history, but it will be a positive!. Do you see how stupid that is?

[Sirisian]

Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

Blows my mind that we have to pay for health care. Of all the wealthy industrialized nations, one of the richest in history can't provide for it's citizens. We should pay for health care the same as we pay for roads, and should be able to access health care as easily as we can access roads.

I think elfailo summed it up well in his (sarcastic?) rant showing the odder side of American politics.

Originally Posted by elfailo

It's not stupid, it's smart. He knew he couldn't count on empathy from the self-absorbed lower middle class, so he played you like the chumps you are, and now your hard earned money is going straight into the dental fillings of a bum.

Hahaha. Welcome to Europe btw.

There are people that hold a very strong concept that funding for social services is unnecessary in the US and that things like single payer isn't the right direction. It's going to take a while for them to realize the only people they're hurting is themselves. Until then we have to take small steps toward solving the problems without angering them.

Especially now that congress won't allow real solutions to be passed. It's going to be a difficult year until reelection.

Originally Posted by Malorn

Competition will lead to lower prices, tort reform will lead to lower costs by insurers, and personal accountability will lead to lower health care costs overall.

Realizing that capitalism isn't the solution to the healthcare problem seems to be beyond you. Competition is the reason we needed change. It wasn't working at all. I seriously doubt any form of reform would allow a private industry to start caring for citizens like a proper single payer system can. If you read half the stories about the horrors of insurance companies in the US you'd realize they aren't a viable solution in the long run.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[ChargerCarl]

Originally Posted by Malorn

Health care is no different from any other commodity.

Actually it is as Kenneth Arrow outlined in 1963:

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/82/2/PHCBP.pdf

[ziegler]

Originally Posted by Malorn

So many socialist idiots in this community. Really blows my mind. The government is slow and inefficient at everything it does and people want to give it more responsibility. Sheer stupidity.

Ask a Vet what they think about the VA Medical Care or Medicaid people what they think about it....we're going to be getting worse than that in a few short years.