News: New F2P Interview - Page 2

Kriegson · 2012-03-15, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Coreldan

I think you are being a bit narrowminded Basti.

1) Premiums/subscription/VIP/whatever most likely wont even be close to pay2win, yet wont fill into your list, really

2) character renames, server transfers, etc.
3) I dont even mind unique weapons being sold there, as long as they are not upgrades to what free players can have, just different, but this can fall in the sidegrade business

Could probably come up with few more, but still

The problem "Sidegrade" weapons though are that they can often have slightly different and although technically not more powerful elements, more useful ones. For instance, a shotgun with better range than other shotguns (With no real downsides). A sniper rifle that players can sprint with while others require you to jog (Without losing the power to 2 shot players)
Sound familiar? :P

That's not to say you cant actually work sidegrade weapons, TF2 is a great example of this with a number of sidegrades to classic weapons, while still maintaining the effectiveness of the basic ones.
It's just that you have to be careful how you do it.

Coreldan · 2012-03-15, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kriegson

The problem "Sidegrade" weapons though are that they can often have slightly different and although technically not more powerful elements, more useful ones. For instance, a shotgun with better range than other shotguns (With no real downsides). A sniper rifle that players can sprint with while others require you to jog (Without losing the power to 2 shot players)
Sound familiar? :P

That's not to say you cant actually work sidegrade weapons, TF2 is a great example of this with a number of sidegrades to classic weapons, while still maintaining the effectiveness of the basic ones.
It's just that you have to be careful how you do it.

Yes, sound familiar. While the CSG is on the brink of being on the pay2win side, but most top players in APB deny p2w exists and most of them favor 3 slot "free" weapons. Even with the CSG being on the brink of it, a lot of good players still rather use a JG with CJ3.

The HVRs true potential has nothing to do with 2 shot per se, but in the damage it deals with one shot. If you ask me, Scout trades away the most important thing of HVR for the ability to sprint. I find it overall a balanced trade off, cos it is a huge trade off. It makes it a fairly viable solo sniper, but a normal HVR is superior if theres any teamwork involved.

That said, if I can choose, I rather have stuff like new weapons available for all instead of cash shop only. It's an idea that can be done, but I wouldnt go that road unless it was really necessary.

Vancha · 2012-03-15, 01:11 PM

Wait, so was he saying there will be no cosmetic items available at all without station cash, or just that there are a selection of cosmetic items that are only available with station cash? That wasn't made clear.

Originally Posted by IDukeNukeml

They have to offer more than this in order to succeed. XP boosts and pretty armor are only gonna get so far. They need to get more indepth with it.

Prove it. League of Legends has been doing just dandy selling cosmetics as far as I know, plus Team Fortress 2, which has already been mentioned.

Fenrys · 2012-03-15, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Vancha

Wait, so was he saying there will be no cosmetic items available at all without station cash, or just that there are a selection of cosmetic items that are only available with station cash? That wasn't made clear.

You're right, it's not clear. It could be either.

The point is, the only things available exclusively for cash will be cosmetic.

That's not to say that some cosmetic stuff won't be available for in-game resources.

It's just saying that everything that effects gameplay is available for in-game resources.

So long as the price (in terms of how much time it takes to gather the needed amount of in-game resources) is reasonable, this seems like a fair solution. Reasonable means you can play all night without needing to spend cash to buy more bullets or grenades or tanks or whatever and level up at the same time, but if you want to level up faster then you need to spend cash.

basti · 2012-03-15, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Coreldan

I think you are being a bit narrowminded Basti.

1) Premiums/subscription/VIP/whatever most likely wont even be close to pay2win, yet wont fill into your list, really

2) character renames, server transfers, etc.
3) I dont even mind unique weapons being sold there, as long as they are not upgrades to what free players can have, just different, but this can fall in the sidegrade business

Could probably come up with few more, but still

1. Has nothing to do with the in game cash shop at all. IN fact, they give you cash for the cash shop.
2. Has nothing to do with the in game cash shop. You may use Station cash for this stuff, but it still doesnt remotly affect the game.
3. No. Just no. All weapons should be obtainable ingame, and only ingame. Sidegrades for said weapons may be obtained faster via the shop, but should still be obtainable via ressources. Otherwise you sell power.

Coreldan · 2012-03-15, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by basti

1. Has nothing to do with the in game cash shop at all. IN fact, they give you cash for the cash shop.
2. Has nothing to do with the in game cash shop. You may use Station cash for this stuff, but it still doesnt remotly affect the game.
3. No. Just no. All weapons should be obtainable ingame, and only ingame. Sidegrades for said weapons may be obtained faster via the shop, but should still be obtainable via ressources. Otherwise you sell power.

I guess it just comes down to a bit different views on the cash shop then. I havnt played SOE games with cash shop (well, DCUO shortly, but didnt pay anything for the few days I tried it), so I guess with SOE games it's handled differently.

In APB all the things I listed are exactly in game cash shop sales articles. I guess it's just a different way of doing the same thing.

Vancha · 2012-03-15, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Fenrys

You're right, it's not clear. It could be either.

The point is, the only things available exclusively for cash will be cosmetic.

That's not to say that some cosmetic stuff won't be available for in-game resources.

It's just saying that everything that effects gameplay is available for in-game resources.

No. That's not the point. We already knew that. That's why I commented on something different, because it brought up a new issue that we might not already know about.

Infektion · 2012-03-15, 03:33 PM

I'll pay for a jackhammer that has twice the effective range with no damage drop off, unlimited ammo (meaning no reload) and 50% faster triple shot "cool down". Not to mention my bunny slippers and bib. Oh yea, I want my armor to have 50% less damage from enemy with a 25% bonus to damage has healing effect and 25% stamina refresh.

Hamma · 2012-03-15, 07:14 PM

Made this comment thread for:
http://www.planetside-universe.com/n...-data-2714.htm

Bags · 2012-03-15, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by IDukeNukeml

I honestly don't understand how a faster respawn could be selling power, maybe if they spawned twice as fast sure, but 3 seconds off a spawn time is not going to make that much of a difference, especially if all empires have the access... They die at the same rate, just more often.
.

using that logic selling a gun to all three empires that one shots an entire continent is not selling power because everyone can buy it.

NCLynx · 2012-03-15, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

using that logic selling a gun to all three empires that one shots an entire continent is not selling power because everyone can buy it.

I'd buy that.

NivexQ · 2012-03-15, 07:58 PM

I think the data access throughout beta is good news. That means that the fan made stat tracking apps and websites will get most of the bugs out before launch.

Hamma · 2012-03-15, 08:38 PM

Yep and can work to perfect our systems with some cool features for launch.

Korova · 2012-03-15, 08:40 PM

This may have be covered before so pardon the ignorance but; will the core game be bought and then have no subscription, or say like League of Legends were the game itself is free along with no subscriptions?

megamold · 2012-03-15, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Korova

This may have be covered before so pardon the ignorance but; will the core game be bought and then have no subscription, or say like League of Legends were the game itself is free along with no subscriptions?

the game is completly free, but you can buy a subscription to get benefits ( faster xp for ex )