Can anyone still stomach this game anymore?

Death2All · 2011-08-21, 08:43 PM

Perhaps I'm just being my usual pessimistic self, but I logged on today for the first time in a few weeks...Well actually logged on and PLAYED for the first time in weeks. Every other time the fight was way too shitty for VS and I didn't even bother to continue playing. Never the less, I logged on and needless to say I regret doing it. The game was just that bad.

I couldn't stand how every fight ended abruptly with the gen being blown, the absurd amounts of grenades, Special Assault Spam, MAXes, vehicle camping and generally lame playstyles the the majority of players I encountered resulted in using.

It's not surprise to me that a game that has been dying for years and the only few remaining people in the population play like douchebags. It's just the extent and consistency that they play like that bothers me.

The issue itself isn't the lack of updates, game breaking mechanics or poor design, it's the community. There's so much senseless, self righteous "FOR THAAA EMPIREEE!!!!" behavior that it's sickening. Playing to win is one thing, but when it totally sacrifices everyone else's in enjoyment in an UNWINABLE game that's when it becomes an issue.

I'm just sort of ranting here so none of this will make a lot of sense, but I suppose the point of this thread is as the title reads, does anyone still have fun in this game? I'm asking this for people on both sides of the spectrum. The ones who are more adamant on "winning" and base capture or the ones more like myself who play more for the sake of just shooting at people.

On a general basis, would you say you actually have fun in Planetside in its current state?

Crator · 2011-08-21, 08:49 PM

I don't play the VS that much, more NC, and don't have that bad of a time. The pops do get low sometimes but it's fun to defend what ya' got.

Effective · 2011-08-21, 10:41 PM

It's alright if you have competent friends to play with and even then it's still difficult to play, since "winning" is very important to some people. Otherwise I play Quake:Live, Starcraft, CS/TF2.

Graywolves · 2011-08-21, 10:53 PM

I was just playing today and it was awesome.

Blowing the generator and tubes has always been a key factor in taking a base.

I never liked the grenade spam but I've only seen it in stalemates recently.

Death2All · 2011-08-22, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Graywolves

I was just playing today and it was awesome.

Blowing the generator and tubes has always been a key factor in taking a base.

I never liked the grenade spam but I've only seen it in stalemates recently.

Blowing the gen and tubes has always been a key factor. However, blowing the gen was always looked down upon. It was kind of the "bitch" way out of a base. When you used to do that people would scold you for it. It was the very last thing you did if you were fighting over a base for HOURS.

That concept has been washed away and it's become so common that no one cares anymore. It's so consistent that it's desensitized everybody to the point of not caring. Personally, I'm always against blowing the generator, I thought it was a lame concept added to end the fight quickly but sometimes it's legitimate. If a cloaker sneaks in and blows the gen during a stalemate to help his team push in and the enemy team can't get it up, then they deserve to lose that base. Doing that or perhaps blowing the gen far away from the battle to take away the enemies tech is the only other time I feel it's legitimate to blow the gen.

I rarely, if ever see them blown with this consensus however. The basic mentality is a force will show up and INSTANTLY go for the gen. Completely ignoring the CC or tubes and end the fight as quickly as possible. That's extraordinarily lame. In most cases the defending team is outpopped, that's what makes it so easy for the team to blow the gen. When it's a large fight with an even percentage of players when it actually calls for legitimately blowing the gen, they can't because the defenders have to be so adamant on defending the gen.

Perhaps tactics are changing. They always have been throughout the game's entirety. My only problem is that it's become such a dumbed down borefest that it makes it hard to get any enjoyment out of the game. I'm sure I contradict myself a lot saying sometimes it's fair to blow the gen but not when it's against me, but I think there should be a certain moral code people follow just for the sake of the game not sucking ass.

Originally Posted by BorisBlade

Vehicle campin is not lame, its smart. You cant hold a door with infantry, you need vehicles.

I don't have a direct problem with any of the issues I mentioned (besides maybe gen blowing), I said that it was the "extent and consistency" that bothered. Having a tank camp a door so keep people from pushing out is a normal strategy which I have no problem with, so long as the enemy force is actually pushing in. Too many times have I been at a base or tower only to see on the radar legions of MBTs, Lighting, Reavers, Mossies, BFRs and Libs all pointed at the door and not a single red dot on the ground. What the hell? Is it REALLY that fun to stare a doorway hoping that a person will open the door and by luck with all the other tanks shooting you might get the kill? Well I can't go an judge people's playstyles, but maybe to some it is...

Originally Posted by Zulthus

I completely agree. The only reason I still have a sub is because of my outfit. Really fun group of people to play the game with. If I was not in an outfit, I would have left over a year ago. The other reason I'm still subbed is for a beta invite...

Originally Posted by Tycho

I recently returned to PS. If you are playing solo then you will probably not enjoy the game. I try to start or join a squad every time I play. I always have fun once I start working with a group.

Originally Posted by Effective

It's alright if you have competent friends to play with and even then it's still difficult to play, since "winning" is very important to some people. Otherwise I play Quake:Live, Starcraft, CS/TF2.

In this game's current state, I completely agree. You need a group to play with. There was a time you could solo in this game but that is no more. There are far too many cheap tactics that have become the norm to warrant playing solo.

Originally Posted by Firefly

Winning is fun for me.

Considering that a majority of my adult life has been spent wearing a uniform and carrying a weapon, I understand the concept of warfare as: find what crushes the enemy's morale and do it so they don't want to fight. Then do it some more. And if you find a dead little fucker, do it again. Keep doing it. I also understand the value of overwhelming firepower and brute force. So I keep doing that, too. I die a lot, but I accomplish my goals a lot. In Planetside, these concepts are applicable especially if you want to win. So they are done, and they are done a lot. Like I said, winning is fun for me.

The only issue I have with this is that there is no end goal in Planetside. There's no ultimate reward for winning. In fact, the game is unwinnable. Even if you were capture every base, tower continent and cavern, you'd get nothing. People are ultimately pushing toward a goal with no meaning at the sacrifice of everyone else's enjoyment.

On the other hand, people such as yourself (and I'm not saying that in a condescending way mind you) enjoy winning. Perhaps capturing bases and having the map colored in your favor in enjoyable to you.

So this thread is pointless. People will play how they want to play regardless of what you tell them. Some people play for the enjoyment of others and some for themselves.

Firefly · 2011-08-22, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by DeeTwoEh

The only issue I have with this is that there is no end goal in Planetside. There's no ultimate reward for winning. In fact, the game is unwinnable. Even if you were capture every base, tower continent and cavern, you'd get nothing. People are ultimately pushing toward a goal with no meaning at the sacrifice of everyone else's enjoyment.

On the other hand, people such as yourself (and I'm not saying that in a condescending way mind you) enjoy winning. Perhaps capturing bases and having the map colored in your favor in enjoyable to you.

So this thread is pointless. People will play how they want to play regardless of what you tell them. Some people play for the enjoyment of others and some for themselves.

My end goal is to Sanc-lock someone. My end-goal is to take as much terrain as possible and set my empire up in a position to hold it. My end-goal is, most chiefly and most supremely, to share in virtual combat with my outfit mates and have a good time. I do that by seeking to win or, failing that, inflict as much neckbeard nerdrage-inducing hate and misery as possible.

BorisBlade · 2011-08-21, 11:26 PM

None of those things you mentioned were lame, try talkin about maelstrom spam or radiator spam or phoenixes if you want lame. With several hundred players you get grenade spam even with PS only allowing you limited and slower grenade usage than most any other game out there. Vehicle campin is not lame, its smart. You cant hold a door with infantry, you need vehicles. Thats legit. Havin said that, VS cant camp doors anywhere nearly as well as NC or TR since the mag is crap for infantry versus the one shot aoe spam of tank shells.

You can always play other FPS'es, and doin so would prob be good cause then you'd realize that those games are 100x cheaper in every way than anything in ps.

I for one still play PS and love it. I avoid CoD and its awful gameplay like the plague, but i do play some BF, but PS gets played a million times more than any BF game or any other FPS for that matter.

Accuser · 2011-08-21, 11:51 PM

I've never really liked the troop combat in PS1 anyway... no "scope down" movement speed reduction plus weapon bloom that doesn't punish movement gives a lot of motivation for Taliban-style ADADAD crap that feels ridiculous compared to other shooters and realistic shooting styles. I mean, physically moving left and right to put someone in your sniper sights instead of just moving the rifle -feels-so-wrong-

tl;dr
Do what I do: Recruit a friend to gun and/or drive and get your Magrider on.

Zulthus · 2011-08-22, 01:05 AM

I completely agree. The only reason I still have a sub is because of my outfit. Really fun group of people to play the game with. If I was not in an outfit, I would have left over a year ago. The other reason I'm still subbed is for a beta invite...

DviddLeff · 2011-08-22, 01:48 AM

I was with an outfit mate in a mag last night on Cery; 18 kills in it and am currently one kill away from getting MAX buster gold... would have had it last night but the bridge between Nerravik and Sedna was too far to get kills reliably.

Raymac · 2011-08-22, 02:07 AM

Every time I log on, I still have a great time, even on days like today where I got my ass kicked. Some days are better than others, like anything, but I think the game is alive and well.

If your idea of fun is an Interfarm stalemate that lasts until the base runs out of NTUs, well those get old for me, so after awhile I'll start pushing towards the gen just to change the scenery.

dachlatte · 2011-08-22, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by DeeTwoEh

The issue itself isn't the lack of updates, game breaking mechanics or poor design, it's the community. There's so much senseless, self righteous "FOR THAAA EMPIREEE!!!!" behavior that it's sickening. Playing to win is one thing, but when it totally sacrifices everyone else's in enjoyment in an UNWINABLE game that's when it becomes an issue.

i know exactly what you mean and i agree completly.
a couple of days ago i tried to mix things up a bit. in order to to that i suggested we sack 2 bases so we could have a nice farm.
the result was a lot of hate coming my way (sry for trying to create a fun situation) and me logging to TR.

Tycho · 2011-08-22, 04:40 AM

I recently returned to PS. If you are playing solo then you will probably not enjoy the game. I try to start or join a squad every time I play. I always have fun once I start working with a group. I teamed up with Praetorian Guard on NC a couple of weeks ago and had the best time. They worked well together and had a great time playing. I have gotten a couple of my friends to return to the game as well. Its all about who your playing the game with.

Sometimes I get frustrated playing PS but then I just switch to BFBC2.

Sirisian · 2011-08-22, 12:55 PM

I play as VS exclusively and had fun during the 45 days free even though I only played like 3 days. The game is enjoyable if you find a nitch. I like using the front nose gun on the liberator for instance and bombing things.

There's a lot of things I'd change though since I found a bunch of things boring to do. As someone else mentioned find a squad or group of people to play with. It makes the game more enjoyable.

Firefly · 2011-08-22, 03:00 PM

Winning is fun for me.

Considering that a majority of my adult life has been spent wearing a uniform and carrying a weapon, I understand the concept of warfare as: find what crushes the enemy's morale and do it so they don't want to fight. Then do it some more. And if you find a dead little fucker, do it again. Keep doing it. I also understand the value of overwhelming firepower and brute force. So I keep doing that, too. I die a lot, but I accomplish my goals a lot. In Planetside, these concepts are applicable especially if you want to win. So they are done, and they are done a lot. Like I said, winning is fun for me.