Drop pods, and the lack of SOI. - Page 5

Knightwyvern · 2012-06-06, 07:45 PM

The way I see it, the devs are stressing that logistics is important, and so is being able to stay in the action. Those are kind of opposed to each other in a round about way, so you need a balance. So, squad spawning should have a hefty timer as well as limited areas in which it can be used. Perhaps you need to control a dropship center or equivalent in order to use it? Also we know that you cannot SS inside a facility, obviously. Seems pretty fair to me.

Hamma · 2012-06-06, 08:04 PM

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BREWKO: Drop Pod and Squad Spawning is all configured for E3, this is not how it's going to be in the final.

GreatMazinkaise · 2012-06-06, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Raymac

Why? The only answer is that's how Planetside 1 did it. That doesn't automatically make a change in that silly.

Having an option, that has a cooldown mind you, to drop pod on your squad leader is a great way to keep squad cohesion. People here always trump up teamwork, and this directly supports teamwork.

Plus it's not like you magically appear indoors next to your squad leader. You have to drop pod in.

Being able to routinely drop MAX units on rooftops IS silly, broken silly. They fulfill the same role as they did in the old game (siegebreakers) so the same rules still apply. There's a reason VS MAX jumpjets were removed.

FPClark · 2012-06-06, 08:13 PM

My biggest issue is what happens when you have an organised outfit who takes a gal full of 12 Squad leaders. Does a gal drop and then has each of the squad leaders squads spawn on them...Thats essentially like doing 12X6 gal drops with 1/6th the danger.

Knightwyvern · 2012-06-06, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by FPClark

My biggest issue is what happens when you have an organised outfit who takes a gal full of 12 Squad leaders. Does a gal drop and then has each of the squad leaders squads spawn on them...Thats essentially like doing 12X6 gal drops with 1/6th the danger.

Danger isn't a huge issue considering you can just respawn. Also, if that one galaxy goes down before the drop, you can say bye bye to the whole op. Besides; the enemy can do the same thing. I think it would be pretty epic to see a bunch of drop pods flaming in.

I do like the idea of a SOI around bases where pods can't drop though. Bolsters the logistical aspect.

OutlawDr · 2012-06-06, 11:52 PM

They talked about secondary objectives. One could be to take out something that prevents enemy drop pods from coming in. A base can have multiple of these and each covers a certain area of the base.

dsi · 2012-06-07, 12:07 AM

I can't wait to see an SL infiltrator climb up to the top of a facility unseen and then have 9 maxes drop in around him. Do their testers have no imagination, or do they honestly think that's ok?

Actually FPClark has it even better, gal drop 12 SLs, suddenly you can drop in 108 maxes on top of the enemy base! I wonder how fast 120 players can backcap...

AshOck · 2012-06-07, 03:21 AM

If you had a squad of 10 all certed in SS, could you just keep promoting someone else to squad leader and divide the timer by ten?

If so then perhaps the cool down should initiate once someone is promoted to effectively negate this.

MrBloodworth · 2012-06-07, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

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BREWKO: Drop Pod and Squad Spawning is all configured for E3, this is not how it's going to be in the final.

Great, thanks. I don't really have an issue with the system, but I do have a huge issue with the proximity to bases in witch it can be used.

Xyntech · 2012-06-07, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by AshOck

If you had a squad of 10 all certed in SS, could you just keep promoting someone else to squad leader and divide the timer by ten?

If so then perhaps the cool down should initiate once someone is promoted to effectively negate this.

I'm pretty sure squad spawn timers are personal. So if you join a new squad or someone else becomes SL, but you squad spawned in the last 10 minutes, you still gotta wait.

MrBloodworth · 2012-07-10, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

Via IRC:

BREWKO: Drop Pod and Squad Spawning is all configured for E3, this is not how it's going to be in the final.

This is still a problem.

Jeepo · 2012-07-10, 10:08 AM

Is the time between squad spawning going to be 10 minutes or like 1? I have not seen it mentioned it anywhere.

Karrade · 2012-07-10, 10:17 AM

While this makes SL's very valuable, and promotes squad teamplay there has to be some middle ground.

I didn't like that they could deploy anywhere, roofs, behind buildings, over defenses, there were no defenses in this case. In already open bases, it just promotes chaos imho, for both sides.

Perhaps however once the enemy is in the base, its game over anyway, and you are supposed to pull out and regroup? A bit like many of the base defenses in PS1, once you are past a certain point, defending isn't always the way to go?

Bravix · 2012-07-10, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Jeepo

Is the time between squad spawning going to be 10 minutes or like 1? I have not seen it mentioned it anywhere.

From Higby's more recent stream, it looked like 5 minutes at most.

sunzen · 2012-07-10, 10:33 AM

BREWKO: Drop Pod and Squad Spawning is all configured for E3, this is not how it's going to be in the final.

I hope it will change. Whats the point in defending the front door when they just spawn on the roof ? If they manage to fly in ok, this could happen, but just click on the map an basically get a free capture ? no way. spawning on enemy territory should not be allowed that way.