Tank drivers acting as gunners in PS2 - Page 12

Raymac · 2011-09-21, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by moosepoop

in battlefield the amount of tanks are limited. in ps2 anyone can pull one. i assure you it will not be a good thing. you wont even be able to set foot outside as an infantry.

and you know it WILL happen because the ps1 veterans are cheap as hell and will do anything to win.

Your assurance doesn't sway me, unfortunately. I spend probably 75% - 90% of my time outdoors, because I grew bored of fighting in the same stairwell over and over. If you are worried about vehicles pwning infantry, there is a very very simple solution...cover. In PS1, if you are caught out in the open by a vehicle, you are toast, and I'd figure the same will be true for PS2.

Therefore, infantry will use cover to protect themselves from getting rolled by vehicles, just like they've always done.

One of the most beautiful sights in Planetside is seeing a huge armor column rolling to a target. The more of that we have in PS2, the happier panda I'll be.

Sirisian · 2011-09-21, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Raymac

One of the most beautiful sights in Planetside is seeing a huge armor column rolling to a target. The more of that we have in PS2, the happier panda I'll be.

Wait aren't you a Reaver pilot? meh who am I kidding I'll be bombing them.

Raymac · 2011-09-21, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sirisian

Wait aren't you a Reaver pilot? meh who am I kidding I'll be bombing them.

Yup, and the best view of the column is from the air, providing air support. Or like you said, shooting the hell out of them if they are bad guys. Either way, seeing it brings a big juicy smile to my face.

Baron · 2011-09-21, 07:22 PM

Touching on the Skill Unlock discussion, remember that Higby also said that the skills available to you are limited by Battle Rank as well (not just time to train the skill).

BorisBlade · 2011-09-21, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Raymac

Call me crazy, but if the amount of vehicles doubled, I'd say that's a good thing.

At the cost of gameplay? No. (and we will have a ton more vehicles just with the 3-4x player numbers anyway) The best times we had were with the vehicles that required teamwork. I dont see how a game tahts just a bunch of boring lightnings running around is even appropriate in a game that has a bazillion people. They should be taking advantage of the huge popluations, not going in the opposite direction and tryin to make us all be Rambo solo selfish tards. Sounds like somthin you'd do on a console where they have just a handful of players and cant support the crew, not a game that will have more players than they know what to do with.

And no the reaver argument doesnt hold up, yeah we had em in ps1 as solo vehicles, as were bfr's and it was a problem. You dont fix the problem by making everything in the game have the same problems.

It loses alot of the cool factor of seeing large groups of vehicles roaming around when you realize its just a bunch of solo tards in their outdoor version of MAX armor, dressed up as a tank.

I would pay a ton of certs to get versions of the vehicles that werent this stupid idea and gave us back real tanks, with turrets, gunners, and pilots. Honestly at this point if every vehicle just goes to this solo style of gameplay, I'm really gonna find it hard to wanna even play the game. I cant keep talkin myself into liking all the changes if nothing, esp the core team based stuff i like, is still anything like PS. I can do the stuff they talk about now in BF. I dont want that, i want PS. =(

Sirisian · 2011-09-21, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by BorisBlade

At the cost of gameplay? No.

I personally find vehicle combat more interesting that the infantry gameplay. You can still have infantry outdoors by making most vehicles suck at killing infantry. The idea should be that infantry are mostly focused on infantry and vehicles focus on vehicles outdoors. This really comes down to balance and how the terrain is set up. The maps are hand crafted so I'm imagining rocks and trees that allow players to hide behind and move around in the battle keeping infantry and vehicle combat generally divided.

Raymac · 2011-09-21, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by BorisBlade

It loses alot of the cool factor of seeing large groups of vehicles roaming around when you realize its just a bunch of solo tards in their outdoor version of MAX armor, dressed up as a tank.

I'm not going to try to change your mind, but I just want to throw this out there. To somebody new to Planetside (i.e. everyone except the few thousand that ever played it) the above quote would probably never even cross their mind. I'd bet they'll see a crap load of tanks and think "wow thats a crap load of tanks". Not everybody is cool with just driving Miss Daisy around. Clearly a number of PS vets don't feel that way, but my guess is that most people play a shooter to, you know, shoot.

So while, like you, I prefer the PS1 style of vehicle gameplay, I don't think the new way is game breaking. Even if everyone is just solo tanks with no secondary gunners at all, you'd still see teamwork, right?

moosepoop · 2011-09-21, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Raymac

Even if everyone is just solo tanks with no secondary gunners at all, you'd still see teamwork, right?

no, they will ruin all outdoor infantry combat.

Raymac · 2011-09-21, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by moosepoop

no, they will ruin all outdoor infantry combat.

Terrain.

But lets just say, for the sake of argument, that there will be no outdoor infantry in PS2, you'd still have teamwork among the players.

moosepoop · 2011-09-21, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Raymac

But lets just say, for the sake of argument,

im not arguing for the sake of arguing. im arguing because i know the devs read forum feedback and im trying to give clear concise statements about how i think it is a bad idea. and it is a bad idea.

-single man tanks with heavy firepower allows for tank spam, ruining infantry combat outdoors. the number of tanks will be doubled and tripled, and might even outnumber infantry.
-being able to solo such power tanks makes drivers lose team cohesion and decrease teamwork, in a game where teamwork is vital
- the unique sense of comeradery and intensity with gunning with other players is lost
- being able to single man battle tanks eliminates need for light tanks and light vehicles. why drive a three man buggy when you can drive a solo killing machine?
- at least reaver has low hp. a tank has high firepower and high hitpoints. it will be used extensively for farming infantry, which ruins gameplay.

moosepoop · 2011-09-21, 11:32 PM

headshots and squad spawning, that can add intensity and bring more action. but this has potential to be game breaking.

when we try to imagine the impact and consequences, we must imagine on a massive scale. people are used to the empty dead current ps1 and dont realize how badly solo main tanks can be with thousands of people.

a skilled av infantry can kill a lightning by himself. but if the tank driver will be able to solo in a main battle tank, that spells disaster. it will be a infantry farming rape fest.

Brusi · 2011-09-21, 11:54 PM

We know that infantry will have more power with destroying tanks (FB style demo charges), so i don't think it will necessarily end outdoor infantry combat...

I like the idea of balanced scalability of power.

1 AV infantry guy is obviously outgunned by a 1 guy in a tank but still stands a chance depending on terrain
1 AV infantry guys vs a 2 manned tank is toast
2 AV infantry guys vs a 1 man tank will be a real danger to him
2 AV infantry guys vs a 2 man tank will be a semi-fair fight (terrain deciding the outcome)

ECM · 2011-09-22, 12:15 AM

I wonder if you do know that the devs could always make gunning while driving as a skill you need to unlock first. Think about that. Also if you are in a great outfit there will always be great teamwork involved, thats a fact. Also there is also the possiblity of driving and let someone else gun. Plus we still don't know how we are to capture a territory and I think the devs have hinted at having multiple ways. Until you see it in action and also the resource system, complaining about tank gunners is pointless. Plus you guys all acting like only the nme can use 1 manned tanks, your own factions can do this too. if you see a bunch of tanks rollin you better get yours.

Talek Krell · 2011-09-22, 12:19 AM

They could, and hopefully we can convince them to do so, or to have some concession to those of us who prefer the PS1 style of vehicle play. At the moment however that's not the plan they've given us. Also, I don't think anyone is under the impression that this is a one faction thing.

ECM · 2011-09-22, 12:27 AM

it's just the tone of those complaining about something they haven't seen, not about one faction.